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Post by thesuki on Jan 24, 2008 18:02:04 GMT
I'm still having trouble accepting that Nigel is the "best" operative in the world. You have your choice of everyone on Earth, and you pick the obsessive guy with no sense of balance who switches from Do or Die to Emo I'm Gonna Quit without warning,d oesn't seem to thnk his team can complete the most basic missions without him, and has limited skills when left on his own?
I mean, for heaven sakes, he's a good operative, but Chad, Maurice, or Rachel are better if they want a field operative. And I doubt anyone in the universe is more skilled and resourceful than Hoagie at making schist.
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Post by GoldenFlither on Jan 24, 2008 19:06:21 GMT
I agree, Suki. Nigel wasn't the best operative. It just so happened that the show was centered on him and Sector V.
Really, the whole Galactic KND thing was an unnecessary add-on to the show in its entirety. They tried to make it epic, but it wasn't. The only thing that reminded me of classic KND was Nigel's "kids at heart" speech. Seriously. That's it. Everything else was too much. Oh! But I like how it was centered on Sector V. That was fun (until the end, where it became depressing).
Notice, other than the live action part and Father's angry screaming, the last quote was, "Kids Next Door! ...Goodbye."
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Post by Afalstein on Jan 24, 2008 20:21:26 GMT
Nigel is also the one with the least ties. Rachel, Abby, Hoagie, Wally, and even Kuki have brothers/sisters that might tie them down more. Chad or Maurice would be more likely, but both of them have girlfriends (kinda). And it's hard to see Maurice as a space operative.
Chad was considered, we saw, but he's definitely not Nigel's equal anymore.
Nigel IS the son of Numbuh 0, and he is the one who guided them through the ZERO problem, and also IT. Over the last season or so, his obsessiveness has gone down slightly.
But yeah, he switches too fast. that's more a problem I'd consider with this episode than with Nigel's character. Still, maybe he was chosen to balance out a sector in the GKND. They probably have enough scientists already, and enough commanders. Someone who takes orders well would be just like they want
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Post by thesuki on Jan 24, 2008 20:45:16 GMT
Just because his dad is the best operative ever doesn't mean it's genetic (no matter what Monty thinks).
The real reason Chad should have been chosen is that he WANTED it. Nigel didn't seem to thrilled about the prospect and seemed more resigned to going. Chad really, REALLY wanted to be a part of it.
And as Mel said on another thread, Nigel's a leader. That's part of who he is. Without a team to lead, what is he? That he said Abby was a better leader than him is just nonsense. If he WASN"T a good leader, he'd have been forced out of that position by their superiors and someone else been assigned to head the team.
And let's face it, Nigel does NOT take orders well, unless he wants to. I think taht was pretty well established in IT, ZERO, and GIRLFRIEND. If the GKND want a stooge to jump when they say "Glrrgle", they should have gotten someone else.
This is the kind of thing I always hate when it inevitably happens. Leader somehow gets translated to Best. It just ain't so. Just because Sector V were the stars of the show doesn't mean they were the best sector. Any other sector could have held a show just as well. Just because Nigel is the leader of the team that the show focuses on doesn't automatically mean he's the best anything. It's just like Teen Titans. That became the Robin show, and this became the Nigel Uno show.
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Post by cRaZyAsiAnGirL on Jan 24, 2008 21:01:43 GMT
I agree with bits of what Suki and Afalstein said.
Yeah, I honestly don't think Nigel's the BEST operative in the world. (Not saying he's horrible, though.) He gets stressed out too easily and is overly obsessive (QUIET comes to mind here.) But Afalstein is right--Nigel's probably one of the most independent, so he'd be easier to get to join the Galactic KND. Plus, the KND is his LIFE, practically, so he's more willing to give up most of his life for it.
Overall, this episode wasn't the greatest, but it was good. It made me cry. (Starting with Hoagie's little "I'm gonna miss ya, Nigel" speech.) I would've picked different people for the live-action older versions of Sector V, but that's just my opinion.
Yeah.
@ Suki Ugh... I didn't like how they spent so much time paying attention to Robin on Teen Titans... It's Teen Titans, PLURAL.
Same with Naruto. Half the show seems like it's about Sasuke. -__-
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Post by thesuki on Jan 24, 2008 21:17:25 GMT
Let's not even get into how Starfire didn't even get a separate character because they made her all about Robin. If I got to make season 6, she'd leave the Titans for a while, travel the world, interact with the other, lesser Titans, develop her own personality, and when she got back, Robin would be in a commited relationship with Jericho.
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Post by delitelia on Jan 25, 2008 0:12:35 GMT
The thing is that leaders always get a little too muuch attention in any show and that's not fair but it's soemthing I've seen everywhere.
If Chad wanted to go it would have been cool if he was the one picked for it but they had to make Nigel do something spectacular and this idea was the one Mr. W and the other workers thought was "the coolest" I guess.
And, still, I feel the chapter incomplete as I guess most of you do.
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Post by The J.A.M., a.k.a. Numbuh i on Jan 25, 2008 0:52:27 GMT
[...unWARP!!!] Good evening. Not much left to say, but to recap what we learned: 1. Abby replaced Rachel as Soopreme Commander. 2. Abby was properly decommissioned when she turned 13 OR 3. Abby's decommissioning was faked so she could enter the TND with Maurice, either of those meaning: 4. Cree was finally defeated, or at least held back enough for Abby to make it to decommissioning, which Cree apparently was not able to interrupt. 5. Numbuh 999 was the first female operative in KND history, apparently joining shortly after Monty freed the kids. Meaning that before 1960, no girls were in the KND. 6. Any other shipping besides 3/4 and 2/5 have been de-canonized! 7. None of the Sector J operatives wear underwear. 8. Harvey Mackenzie, Numbuh 363, lasted less than 1 year in the KND. 9. No one knows what happened to Rachel, so there are still options open for 1/362. 10. Wally is smarter than we think 11. Mushi eventually returned after her outing with Sandy. Perhaps they, too, joined the KND? 12. Nigel is NOT gone forever. 13. Someone has another working recommissioner. 14. Kuki really isn't an airhead. 15. Being a nerd lets you in on the best secrets EVER As a final task, I wonder if Monty met his wife on his first mission. Can anyone see if any girl seen here (ZERO) looks like her? And here's Mrs. Uno today: Stay young, and thank you, Mr. W, for 6 seasons of the best show ever ¡Zacatepóngolas! Until next time, remember: I AM THE J.A.M. (a.k.a. Numbuh i: "Just because I'm imaginary doesn't mean I don't exist") Good evening. [WARP!!!]
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Post by thesuki on Jan 25, 2008 1:04:22 GMT
She was probably one of those shadowy figures we didn't get to see. Monty had a team, and she could have been the only girl ON it. Fast and easy way to integrate girls without having to go through the legal crap.
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Post by krossfire on Jan 25, 2008 1:41:42 GMT
Call me nutty, but judging by the shape of her head, I think her face looked a lot like Numbuh 10.
As to Nigel why Nigel Uno got selected for the GKND, I just have a simple hunch. It's not a matter that he's a great leader, the son of Numbuh 0, or the best operative, quite simply, he just passed all the tests given by the GKND, and with flying colors. They were probably lots of other operatives who were candidates just like him for the Splinter Cell, but Nigel had the most outstanding scores and outperformed the rest of his peers. That was probably why Chad got so angry with him. Nigel might be unintentionally screwed his tests but performed overwhelmingly good at his own because Chad wasn't there to mess it up.
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Post by Afalstein on Jan 25, 2008 1:46:31 GMT
Second picture from the bottom, maybe. And I think he said first female operative in the Seventh Age, so conceivably they could have been. But Numbuh 19th century confirms your premise, so you're probably right.
Questions:
1. Where did it say Mushi returned from her outing? I saw her in Prof. Triple X-large, but I didn't see any other references.
2. Did Cree say she was going to interrupt Abby's decommisioning? I missed that.
And yeah, apparently Wally is. Harvard, for crying out loud. And a doctor no less. Both Wally and Kuki are immensely different from their child selves, but 2 and 5 are nearly identical.
How did 2 keep a secret like that? Did he learn it at the party in Amish?
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Post by thesuki on Jan 25, 2008 1:50:00 GMT
If the Scavanger Hunt is any indication, Nigel passed their incredibly lame tests by luck rather than skill.
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Post by delitelia on Jan 25, 2008 2:01:33 GMT
Yeah, if the Scavenger hunt was the last test then he just passed it because of Sonnya and Lee... Now, if we talk about the last battle with TDCFDTL it was mostly his doing but still he was looking straight forwards while his rivals where looking at the other way.
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Post by numbuh1212 on Jan 25, 2008 2:06:22 GMT
Okay what I am not clear on is that was Numbuh 19th Centurary was in the 6th age. Also if the 7th age started in 1960 then Numbuh 1's got some old parents.
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Post by Afalstein on Jan 25, 2008 2:08:48 GMT
The Scavenger Hunt was a plot device to recount everything the KND have been through, essentially.
But apparently the GKND felt completely confident that Nigel would win. Don't ask me why, I'm not sure what they would've done if the DCFDTL had won. And Chad wasn't even trying to win. So apparently, no matter whoever had won the hunt, Nigel would have been approached.
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