Truth

[numbuh9494]

Jan 11, 2009 17:41:28 GMT NrrdGirl said:

That was basically the majority of what my post was about. It's not just you, Allie, it's like..EVERYONE. There's nothing with being nice at all, but there are times when people shouldn't be allowed to walk all over anyone. I didn't say any names in my post, but I'm sure if any of you read over it, you could pretty much guess who I'm talking about. It's multiple people.

Ay-ay-ay...Maybe I should stop sucking up to people. Seems like I do that way too much.

C7Angelocas12: The truth: I think you are seriously smart. Your posts sound really intelligent, also.

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And the real truth: I HATE NUMBUH THREE.

There, I've said it. She annoys me to heck, she's too darned cheerful, and...3/4 makes me sick.

Good thing that's over with.

[NrrdGirl]

Jan 11, 2009 22:42:05 GMT numbuh9494 said:

Jan 11, 2009 17:41:28 GMT NrrdGirl said:

That was basically the majority of what my post was about. It's not just you, Allie, it's like..EVERYONE. There's nothing with being nice at all, but there are times when people shouldn't be allowed to walk all over anyone. I didn't say any names in my post, but I'm sure if any of you read over it, you could pretty much guess who I'm talking about. It's multiple people.

Ay-ay-ay...Maybe I should stop sucking up to people. Seems like I do that way too much.

C7Angelocas12: The truth: I think you are seriously smart. Your posts sound really intelligent, also.

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And the real truth: I HATE NUMBUH THREE.

There, I've said it. She annoys me to heck, she's too darned cheerful, and...3/4 makes me sick.

Good thing that's over with.

I don't have an issue with him being intelligent, it's the fact that he brings light to a subject that kids don't give a shit about. It's in like, every post he makes. Ten year old kids don't care about politics unless it had to do with toys or candy or happy things that they like. The KND focuses on fighting adults, not terrorists. And that needs to be made clear. The KND doesn't harm any adults that do not harm them first. I'm not saying he needs to dumb himself down for anyone nor speak as if he's attended Oxford, I'm merely stating that the situations that he tries to force into our minds, NOBODY pays attention to. I've noticed it in th 1/362 threads, that whenever he's posted about politics, it's ignored by everyone. Kids aren't going to watch KND, and be jumping on their bed like.."OMGZZZ IF NIGEL AND ABBY BECOME A COUPLE THEN THAT SHOWS THE REAL LIFE CONNECTION BETWEEN AMERICA AND NIGERIA OMGZ OMGZ OMGZ!!"

His posts don't impress me. Intelligence isn't something you're born with, it's something you gain over years. The suits at the White House won't watch KND, and be like, "Oh, Goodness! Gentlemen! We must use this show as a point in our campaign!" As I've said, this is such a big ass peeve. Things are getting over analyzed, and given meanings that they NEVER have represented nor will EVER represent.

[C7Angelocas12]

Jan 11, 2009 22:59:47 GMT NrrdGirl said:

Ten year old kids don't care about politics unless it had to do with toys or candy or happy things that they like. The KND focuses on fighting adults, not terrorists. And that needs to be made clear. The KND doesn't harm any adults that do not harm them first.

(chuckling observantly) Funny that you should mention toys and candy. The adult villains portrayed in my stories believe with their souls that Yipper Cards, Rainbow Monkeys, and music are evil, so they're trying to ban those items. Teherani announced a decree to that effect as the President of Iran in "Nightmares... or Premonitions of Chaos?", and as part of the background to "Summer Camps, Lies, and a Memo", the Kids Next Door had to stop the Muslim Brothers' Society from doing the same thing in Egypt. As if that weren't enough, North Korean Dear Leader Moon Hwan-Il had a ban on Christmas in addition to Yipper Cards and Rainbow Monkeys, so if the Kids Next Door can defeat his nastiest general, namely Nam Myung-Sung, then millions of kids all over the northern half of the Korean Peninsula will be able to know the joy and love within Christmas. Even as I type this, I find that my next major fanfiction idea featuring a group of Sacred Strugglers as the main bad guy is increasingly likely to involve teenagers, who, if I recall, oppose the KND almost as strongly as, if not more strongly than, the adults. I still remember how my fanfiction timeline progressed: the Kids Next Door disabled a Party of Allah smuggling network of Yipper Cards and Rainbow Monkeys, and in thorough, incalculable rage, Teherani launched nuclear missiles directly at the Kids Next Door Moonbase. All the while, in at least within my stories, the other adults in the halls of power across this planet have not even one clue that the Kids Next Door exists. Thus, Elphaba, there is, to quote my current favorite fictional couple, no need to worry. I could have focused on drugs, abortion, or labor disputes, but I wanted to introduce adult villains nasty enough to make Grandfather look nice, and I figured that there is no better expression of such unimaginable evil -- unimaginable to the Kids Next Door, that is -- than the combined nuclear and cyberattack ambitions of international jihadists and North Korea. With those adult villains not even knowing what the KND really is, they won't even realize what they're dealing with until it's (almost) too late for them to do anything about it. Of course, that assumes said adult villains' plan isn't already too far along for the KND to successfully stop it, but hopefully, my overall assumptions should still stand.

[NrrdGirl]

Jan 11, 2009 23:36:58 GMT C7Angelocas12 said:

Jan 11, 2009 22:59:47 GMT NrrdGirl said:

Ten year old kids don't care about politics unless it had to do with toys or candy or happy things that they like. The KND focuses on fighting adults, not terrorists. And that needs to be made clear. The KND doesn't harm any adults that do not harm them first.

(chuckling observantly) Funny that you should mention toys and candy. The adult villains portrayed in my stories believe with their souls that Yipper Cards, Rainbow Monkeys, and music are evil, so they're trying to ban those items. Teherani announced a decree to that effect as the President of Iran in "Nightmares... or Premonitions of Chaos?", and as part of the background to "Summer Camps, Lies, and a Memo", the Kids Next Door had to stop the Muslim Brothers' Society from doing the same thing in Egypt. As if that weren't enough, North Korean Dear Leader Moon Hwan-Il had a ban on Christmas in addition to Yipper Cards and Rainbow Monkeys, so if the Kids Next Door can defeat his nastiest general, namely Nam Myung-Sung, then millions of kids all over the northern half of the Korean Peninsula will be able to know joy and love within Christmas. Even as I type this, I find that my next major fanfiction idea featuring a group of Sacred Strugglers as the main bad guy is increasingly likely to involve teenagers, who, if I recall, oppose the KND almost as strongly as, if not more strongly than, the adults. I still remember how my fanfiction timeline progressed: the Kids Next Door disabled a Party of Allah smuggling network of Yipper Cards and Rainbow Monkeys, and in thorough, incalculable rage, Teherani launched nuclear missiles directly at the Kids Next Door Moonbase. Thus, Elphaba, there is, to quote my current favorite fictional couple, no need to worry. I could have focused on drugs, abortion, or labor disputes, but I wanted to introduce adult villains nasty enough to make Grandfather look nice, and I figured that there is no better place to look for such unimaginable evil -- unimaginable to the Kids Next Door, that is -- than the realm of 21st century international politics.

It is the fact that the storylines are unrealistic. Children couldn't give less of a shit about politics or terrorists. All they know if that if Daddy goes to war, he's most likely not coming home and that they will be miserable until the day that they die. If you're going to write about politics, then fine, but it's the fact of bringing it into something that doesn't mix well with it at all. If there were any hidden messages in cartoons, they're for adults to pick up. Similar to the old Looney Toon and Tom and Jerry cartoons of the 40s and 50s. I never understood I like Ike or why Jerry would read John Steinback's Of Mice and Men until I was a teenager. Not only that, but it's already bad enough that we have people in this country shedding a negative light on Middle Eastern people as well as others. Because of the whole Olympics crap, everyone rags on China now. Ever since 9/11, people tease the Indians at gas stations and call them Dot Heads or Towel Heads and it's WRONG. I'm glad these issues aren't present in KND because children are like sponges. They soak up everything they see, and since they often mimic, will speak and do as they see fit. If we had the KND fighting terrorists, it could make children think that every woman who has a scarf around her head and face is part of Jihad. This is ridiculous.

You basically ignored my point yet again. Nobody cares about politics in here, nor in KND, nor in fanfiction. You haven't noticed that whenever you speak of it, that everyone ignores it? Nobody makes a mention to it because either nobody can even understand what the fuck you are talking about half the time, or they DO NOT CARE. I figured that I would do everyone the favor of bringing it up because nobody else seems to want to do it. Do you know how many people in here cannot comprehend what the fuck you are even talking about when you dive into politics? Celra loves RENT, I love Wicked and neither of us bring it up in every single god damned post. Why do you deserve any special treatment to confuse and muddle members with things that cannot be understood nor cared about?

[Celra]

BLAH BLAH BLAH.....RENT RENT RENT....POLITICS....MASHED POTAOES.......ELPHABA....BLAH BLAH BLAH....

[allie]

Jan 11, 2009 23:49:12 GMT NrrdGirl said:

Jan 11, 2009 23:36:58 GMT C7Angelocas12 said:

(chuckling observantly) Funny that you should mention toys and candy. The adult villains portrayed in my stories believe with their souls that Yipper Cards, Rainbow Monkeys, and music are evil, so they're trying to ban those items. Teherani announced a decree to that effect as the President of Iran in "Nightmares... or Premonitions of Chaos?", and as part of the background to "Summer Camps, Lies, and a Memo", the Kids Next Door had to stop the Muslim Brothers' Society from doing the same thing in Egypt. As if that weren't enough, North Korean Dear Leader Moon Hwan-Il had a ban on Christmas in addition to Yipper Cards and Rainbow Monkeys, so if the Kids Next Door can defeat his nastiest general, namely Nam Myung-Sung, then millions of kids all over the northern half of the Korean Peninsula will be able to know joy and love within Christmas. Even as I type this, I find that my next major fanfiction idea featuring a group of Sacred Strugglers as the main bad guy is increasingly likely to involve teenagers, who, if I recall, oppose the KND almost as strongly as, if not more strongly than, the adults. I still remember how my fanfiction timeline progressed: the Kids Next Door disabled a Party of Allah smuggling network of Yipper Cards and Rainbow Monkeys, and in thorough, incalculable rage, Teherani launched nuclear missiles directly at the Kids Next Door Moonbase. Thus, Elphaba, there is, to quote my current favorite fictional couple, no need to worry. I could have focused on drugs, abortion, or labor disputes, but I wanted to introduce adult villains nasty enough to make Grandfather look nice, and I figured that there is no better place to look for such unimaginable evil -- unimaginable to the Kids Next Door, that is -- than the realm of 21st century international politics.

It is the fact that the storylines are unrealistic. Children couldn't give less of a shit about politics or terrorists. All they know if that if Daddy goes to war, he's most likely not coming home and that they will be miserable until the day that they die. If you're going to write about politics, then fine, but it's the fact of bringing it into something that doesn't mix well with it at all. If there were any hidden messages in cartoons, they're for adults to pick up. Similar to the old Looney Toon and Tom and Jerry cartoons of the 40s and 50s. I never understood I like Ike or why Jerry would read John Steinback's Of Mice and Men until I was a teenager. Not only that, but it's already bad enough that we have people in this country shedding a negative light on Middle Eastern people as well as others. Because of the whole Olympics crap, everyone rags on China now. Ever since 9/11, people tease the Indians at gas stations and call them Dot Heads or Towel Heads and it's WRONG. I'm glad these issues aren't present in KND because children are like sponges. They soak up everything they see, and since they often mimic, will speak and do as they see fit. If we had the KND fighting terrorists, it could make children think that every woman who has a scarf around her head and face is part of Jihad. This is ridiculous.

You basically ignored my point yet again. Nobody cares about politics in here, nor in KND, nor in fanfiction. You haven't noticed that whenever you speak of it, that everyone ignores it? Nobody makes a mention to it because either nobody can even understand what the fuck you are talking about half the time, or they DO NOT CARE. I figured that I would do everyone the favor of bringing it up because nobody else seems to want to do it. Do you know how many people in here cannot comprehend what the fuck you are even talking about when you dive into politics? Celra loves RENT, I love Wicked and neither of us bring it up in every single god damned post. Why do you deserve any special treatment to confuse and muddle members with things that cannot be understood nor cared about?

He is using his imagination. Just go with the flow, alright? Imagination is good for all. Whether it is politics, fantasy of OZ, or even flying dragons trying to connect with Kids Next Door in some way. Everyone of us is different, which makes us unique.

[EJLD1976]

Jan 12, 2009 2:47:21 GMT @allie said:

Jan 11, 2009 23:49:12 GMT NrrdGirl said:

It is the fact that the storylines are unrealistic. Children couldn't give less of a shit about politics or terrorists. All they know if that if Daddy goes to war, he's most likely not coming home and that they will be miserable until the day that they die. If you're going to write about politics, then fine, but it's the fact of bringing it into something that doesn't mix well with it at all. If there were any hidden messages in cartoons, they're for adults to pick up. Similar to the old Looney Toon and Tom and Jerry cartoons of the 40s and 50s. I never understood I like Ike or why Jerry would read John Steinback's Of Mice and Men until I was a teenager. Not only that, but it's already bad enough that we have people in this country shedding a negative light on Middle Eastern people as well as others. Because of the whole Olympics crap, everyone rags on China now. Ever since 9/11, people tease the Indians at gas stations and call them Dot Heads or Towel Heads and it's WRONG. I'm glad these issues aren't present in KND because children are like sponges. They soak up everything they see, and since they often mimic, will speak and do as they see fit. If we had the KND fighting terrorists, it could make children think that every woman who has a scarf around her head and face is part of Jihad. This is ridiculous.

You basically ignored my point yet again. Nobody cares about politics in here, nor in KND, nor in fanfiction. You haven't noticed that whenever you speak of it, that everyone ignores it? Nobody makes a mention to it because either nobody can even understand what the fuck you are talking about half the time, or they DO NOT CARE. I figured that I would do everyone the favor of bringing it up because nobody else seems to want to do it. Do you know how many people in here cannot comprehend what the fuck you are even talking about when you dive into politics? Celra loves RENT, I love Wicked and neither of us bring it up in every single god damned post. Why do you deserve any special treatment to confuse and muddle members with things that cannot be understood nor cared about?

He is using his imagination. Just go with the flow, alright? Imagination is good for all. Whether it is politics, fantasy of OZ, or even flying dragons trying to connect with Kids Next Door in some way. Everyone of us is different, which makes us unique.

Yeah, and in my case I feel a bond between Nigel's (now ex-) girlfriend and the greatest piano player that ever lived! We are all entitled to our own imaginations! Sure people can question us for our beliefs or theories, but just let them. It is these beliefs that make us...well, us! That's what matters, right?

[allie]

Jan 12, 2009 2:56:28 GMT EJLD1976 said:

Jan 12, 2009 2:47:21 GMT @allie said:

He is using his imagination. Just go with the flow, alright? Imagination is good for all. Whether it is politics, fantasy of OZ, or even flying dragons trying to connect with Kids Next Door in some way. Everyone of us is different, which makes us unique.

Yeah, and in my case I feel a bond between Nigel's (now ex-) girlfriend and the greatest piano player that ever lived! We are all entitled to our own imaginations! Sure people can question us for our beliefs or theories, but just let them. It is these beliefs that make us...well, us! That's what matters, right?

I couldn't agree anymore, my friend. ^^

[EJLD1976]

Embarrassing (and sad!) confession coming up:

Originally, I only SAID I was a 1/362 and 65.3/Lizzie shipper so I would be socially accepted at the forum, and not be shunned because I still clung to the 1/Lizzie ship after the breakup.

But now after reading several Allie's fics of 1/362, I have finally come to see the connection!

(*sniff*) I need a shoulder to cry on now...

[allie]

Aww, dude it's okay. I forgive you it's not a big deal. We are free to support any coupling we want, or anything for that matter.

[EJLD1976]

^^^ (*sniff*) Thank you, Allie (dries eyes). But it's still a shame that PrettyInPurpleness and myself are the only surviving Fireworks Fighters.

TheSuki (remember her?) had deleted her account after the twilight of KND. And delitelia---she hasn't logged on since July---before I even joined! So I am limited in the number of fellow shippers I can talk to.

Anyway, thank you for cheering me up! I needed that!

[C7Angelocas12]

(staring blankly at most recent exchange, then shaking head rapidly) Imaginative? Well, to be sure, the events and adult villains portrayed in my fanfictions are fictional, but they have inspirations in real life. Having said that, I tried deliberately to keep the Kids Next Door's basic personalities intact, based on what I remember from the show. Therefore, even though those post-Grandfather adult villains I've imagined are inspired by villains in real life, the Kids Next Door themselves will think of said adult villains simply as evil enough to make Grandfather look kid-friendly. To put it another way, the common idea expressed by these new adult villains may be simpler than their backgrounds would suggest. These new villains believe in submission without any questions, such that they and they alone decide what is right and what is wrong and everyone is forced to go along, and as such, those villains will hate the freedom to do what is genuinely right. They see America and its allies as representing that freedom, but they will loathe anyone whom they would consider one of their own but who instead turns against them of his or her own free will... which leads me to my overall assumption. All of you could say that my fanfictions constitute an argument on my part that freedom can lead humankind to genuine peace, prosperity, security, and truth in a way that submission never could. I could have chosen any other course of action or communicated any other idea, but instead, my basic assumption regarding freedom, international jihadism, and the Kids Next Door stands as it is, starting with the September 11 airplane jihad strikes and progressing with each new fanfiction that I typed, each new action that I had the Kids Next Door take, each new villain that I had them defeat to prove that assumption.

[allie]

Yes, I know that Angel--but your inspirations do connect with the fantasy, and the imagination.

...

Darn it, now I'm getting back into my 1/362 dragon story. xD Fantasy strikes again, for truth! *proud fist in the air* ... Oh geez, I bet the Inkheart trilogy is really gonna pull me in bigtime.

[C7Angelocas12]

(chuckling ironically while shaking head with bemusement) Thank you, Allie. I would like to think that I've been consistent in the basic elements of my fanfictions so far. I figure that, if as an example, these new adult villains will be nastier without the moments of evil laughter that accompanied, say, Father or Grandfather. On the other hand, even the good adults will be good... based on their actions, as will any other adults who might not necessarily fit into either category. For the moment, it would seem that I've stumbled onto quite the thoughtful, if also contentious, discussion here about the merits behind the thoughts of certain members of the Codename: Kids Next Door Fan Forum. I shall continue typing my fanfiction ideas as I deem appropriate, explaining the key elements of the basic premise behind those stories whenever I can... so that all of you will be able to think through the ideas I'm presenting for yourselves.

[numbuh9494]

Oh, and EJLD, if you ever need to cry, you could bawl on me.