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Post by parron on Aug 5, 2004 1:55:07 GMT
...Well, I figure it's been mentioned enough here to deserve its own thread. ^___^ V
My thoughts on the three series' / manga:
Dragonball (manga)
I like it at times more then the anime. It's true that the characterization is a little weaker in the manga, and that the characterization is really the strong point of all three shows, but I like the fact that a fight that lasted 2 1/2 episodes spans three pages. Go lack of filler! And I've noticed, too, that some people act differently. Bulma, who I never really liked in the anime, is hilariously vain...
"Oh, Trunks! You're going to grow up to be pretty *hot*! I was worried, because you're such an *ugly* baby!"
>.<
Dragonball (anime)
My least favorite of the three shows, really, because the art is iffy and it has too much dirty humor and not enough other stuff. I like it, of course, but it's not my favorite... and, since I tend to favor the second generation, one might be able to understand why DB doesn't hold too much interest to me... Although, I do like the RR army. Esp. General Blue. XD
Dragonball Z
Second favorite show... the filler is irratating, especially when it comes to fights, but it's even more irratating because I understand WHY they had to do it. I can just picture them... "Ugh, we have to do more filler while Toriyama-sensei works on the next chapter... anyone have any ideas? ANYthing?" On the other hand, I love the cyborgs. And all of Majin Buu. ^____^ And the epilogue! Go Kirano!!!
Dragonball GT
A great mix of DB's humor and DBZ's action, with the handy inclusion of all of the 2nd generation. Ha-ha! Plus, it has Trerance. XD I hate, hate, HATE the ending though. It made me cry... "There's no WAY a great show like this can end like THAT!" Which is probably why I write so much fanfic about it... hmm...
So, uh, anyone else have any thoughts?
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Post by numbuheightbitstar on Aug 6, 2004 15:33:20 GMT
Personally, I found DB and DBGT to have the most substance so I liked them the best. DBZ's substance gets lost under a large pile of filler and it gets boring quickly.
Except in the manga.
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Post by otto789 on Aug 6, 2004 16:20:38 GMT
freizer was a good villian and his empire
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Post by parron on Aug 6, 2004 20:22:03 GMT
Some of the filler was pretty damn amusing, though. Like... the Driving Episode. I just hate the fighting-filler.
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Post by numbuheightbitstar on Aug 10, 2004 3:13:56 GMT
Honestly, the fighting killed it for me--the anime anyway. I didn't mind the manga one bit. I don't mind fight scenes, but most of the fighting-oriented anime I like usually has a PLOT to go along with it.
Though heck... it resulted in DBZ Budokai, which is one of the best fighting games I've played in awhile, so perhaps it wasn't a total loss.
(Ever play that game?)
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Post by parron on Aug 10, 2004 3:45:00 GMT
Once, at a friend's house. I really didn't like it at all, but that might just be me -- I'm more into the RPG genre then the fighting-game genre (although I do like pressing random buttons and somehow winning in Teken... ^^). The fighting in DBZ DID have a plot, it was just stretched on too long. I like the anime more because the VAing is just awesome, as with the music, and the character development is just more so, but I agree that when I'm re-checking how the fight between #17 and Piccolo went for my story I'll use the manga. If that made sense. The worst part, though, is that I find it -- as mentioned -- absolutly IMPOSSIBLE to blame TOEI for the filler. I mean, yes -- I can easily blame them for Garlic jr. and the movies (except movie 12. That was was just sweet.), but I can't place blame on them for having to pad the anime... ...And, as mentioned, DBGT is my favorite of the three, and I suppose that whole series could qualify as "filler" because there was no manga accompanyment. For curiousity's sake, could I ask a few general questions (directed at James and anyone else with a passing knowlage of the show/s)? I love gathering "stats" of what fans tend to think, like, and use, so.... 1. Who are your favorite characters? 2. Least favorite? 3. Which is your prefered spelling: Vegeta / Bejita / Vegita 4. Prefered spelling: Bra / Bulla / Bura 5. Prefered spelling: Goku / Gokuu / Gokou 6. Favorite "arch" (i.e: Cell, Majin Buu, Baby)? 7. Least favorite arch? 8. Which do you think is most accurate and would most likely use? a) "Android #18" b) "Cyborg #18" c) "Robot #18" d) "Android 18" e) "Cyborg 18" f) "Robot 18" g) Jinzouningen Juuhatchi-gou I ask everyone questions like this... ^^() Feel free to ignore, of course... I just am really curious about termanology and the like when the show in question has so many options for it.  |
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Post by numbuheightbitstar on Aug 10, 2004 4:49:20 GMT
Once, at a friend's house. I really didn't like it at all, but that might just be me -- I'm more into the RPG genre then the fighting-game genre (although I do like pressing random buttons and somehow winning in Teken... ^^). I'm not much of a fighter fan myself. Only recently did I really get into them. Before, I used to think the entire genre was stupid and nothing more than brainless button-mashing just to see how many neat moves you can do. I realized that I was wrong (well, except in some of the worse fighting games) but I still don't play them much simply 'cuz I'm not good at them and most of them are arcade ports and require a joystick to play properly (this is especially true with anything by Capcom--just TRY doing Ryu or Ken's Dragon Uppercut without a joystick). Umm, no you can't, because "Filler" intones that it was made to give the author time to come up with something. Saying DBGT is filler, by your reasoning, basically also means that the Tenchi Muyo OAV is filler (...Actually, that's a much weaker assertion, since the Tenchi Manga was based off the OAV, not the other way around, but I believe the point still stands). Umm... Mr. Satan (aka Hercule), Pan, Bulma in the DB era, Goku, Gohan, and Future Trunks. In DBZ Budokai I like to play as either Vegeta or Trunks because they're fast, or Hercule because he has silly attacks. Vegeta. I hate cocky characters. Most of the villains annoyed me too. Oh, and Buu. Come on, this guy was basically just a candy-fixated version of Cell. I prefer to use the official spellings when possible, if anything just to avoid confusion. In short: Vegeta. .... Well, Bra because it's more accurate and funny. I know it breaks my preference of official spellings, but.... whatever. Goku. Even better. SON Goku. Ehhh... Cell just from a coolness standpoint. Otherwise Piccolo. Majin Buu. As I said he was just Cell in a different wrapping. Ehmm... I have a sneaky feeling it's G. |
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Post by parron on Aug 10, 2004 5:04:14 GMT
Actually, it would be best to call her "Cyborg #18" because her title is "Jinzouningen 18-gou" (well, in kanji with the numberals 18) but an annoying amount of people say "Juuhatchi-gou," which is fine, but too often they shorten it to "Juu," who happens to be a different cyborg entirely. ^^ (i.e: #10)
As for the Bra thing... same with me. I hate "Bulla" too much to use it, despite my whole "must-stay-true-to-dub-names" thing. Same with the names "Hercule" and "Majuub," actually.
I hated "Future" Trunks with a burning passion. Still do, really. I sympathize with him, but he annoys me. Well, that's more because I really like Trunks, and everyone seems to hate Trunks because Trunks wasn't as angsty as "Future" Trunks, and because Trunks idolizes his father -- which I think is just cute.
Buu in the dub was just... wtf? He sounds like a freakin' BABY! I hated that voice soooooooooo much... I liked the saga otherwise, though.
I'll answer my questions, actually:
1. Son Goten, Pan, and Marron
2. ...Bra... (Really, no thirteen year old should dress like that.)
3. Vegeta
4. Bra
5. Goku (I went without the surname for simplicity's sake. ^__~)
6. Blackstar Dragonballs or Buu
7. ...Most likely the Evil Dragon saga...
8. Cyborg #18. Eh, "B."
I rather liked Vegeta... he's never going to be a favorite of mine, but he's kinda cool. ^^ I liked him later in the series better, and he can't really be blamed for his cockyness when you consider that he's the one that all the other cocky anime characters are based on (well, those that can be... you know what I mean...).
I don't like fighting games. They bore me to death... I can't comment further because aside from wasting a left-over quarter or two on Tekken at the arcade, I never play them.
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Post by numbuheightbitstar on Aug 10, 2004 5:17:45 GMT
I hated "Future" Trunks with a burning passion. Still do, really. I sympathize with him, but he annoys me. Well, that's more because I really like Trunks, and everyone seems to hate Trunks because Trunks wasn't as angsty as "Future" Trunks, and because Trunks idolizes his father -- which I think is just cute. The Trunks/Goten interaction was amusing enough. Main reason I liked Future Trunks (or even full-grown trunks from DBGT) is because I simply found that Kid Trunks from the Buu saga was, well... his whole personality was like a mini-Vegeta. I know sons take after their fathers and all (except Nigel, obviously) but still... *Slaps self. HARD* When you said "Arch," I thought you meant Arch-VILLAIN! (The h threw me off, as did using villains as examples). Well, I don't think I actually HAVE a favorite DB story arc, mostly because I've never seen one all the way through, but rather caught them in bits and pieces. |
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Post by parron on Aug 10, 2004 5:22:04 GMT
Yeah, but Trunks was also 8. I've yet to meet an 8-year-old boy that WASN'T a brat. Come DBGT, he's much... saner. >.> I hate that in fanfic, though, because as someone who writes 2nd generation stories I write and read a lot about Trunks... and for the longest time all the fangirls were using his EIGHT YEAR OLD SELF as a guide to how he would act as an adult. WTF??? This was, of course, before DBGT came out over here... which also made it painful to read about Pan (although she was fairly IC, considering) and Bra (apparently, since she's Bulma's and Vegeta's daughter, she MUST be a powerful warrior genius who is a supermodel to boot!).
>.<
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Post by numbuheightbitstar on Aug 10, 2004 5:32:20 GMT
Yeah, but Trunks was also 8. I've yet to meet an 8-year-old boy that WASN'T a brat. Does this include Gohan and Goten? ^__^ Anyway, I don't read DB/Z/GT fanfics, so I can't really comment on the rest. |
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Post by parron on Aug 10, 2004 5:35:55 GMT
Well, that was more a rant on characterization issues, but sorry for tangenting. ^^
As for Gohan... he's just scary how he is the exception to the brat rule. Goten's a brat, though. A very CUTE brat, but a brat never-the-less.
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Post by numbuheightbitstar on Aug 10, 2004 6:04:28 GMT
Well, that was more a rant on characterization issues, but sorry for tangenting. ^^ No prob. I like to rant about characterizations myself... I used to do it all the time in the Rescue Rangers "fandom" (some fans THEY are... the number one activity in that fandom was writing stories in which Gadget is either unreasonably depressed or goes through a torturous ordeal. Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if that fandom was the inspiration for "The Passion of the Christ".) |
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Post by parron on Aug 10, 2004 20:26:00 GMT
Ugh. I never even SAW that movie, but just thinking about it pisses me off.
What I hate about reading DBGT fanfic is that not many people have SEEN it, and so go to fansites to read about what they're like. Simply, imagine that I've never seen an episode of KND, but have heard it's good, so I go onto TVtome to find out what Numbah 3 acts like, and then write fanfic based on that. It's beyond comprehension... Because Bra is the daughter of two of the most popular characters, and the younger sister of a third, the fangirls decide she MUST be perfect -- as strong as Vegeta and smart as Bulma -- without ever having seen DBGT.
So there's the clarified version of my last rant. ^__~
I used to watch Rescue Rangers when I was younger... don't really remember it at all, but I've seen it... -.-
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Post by numbuheightbitstar on Aug 11, 2004 4:25:15 GMT
Actually, one of my friends from the RR Fandom actually read one of my KND fics (Best-Worst Scenario) without having seen the show before. He liked it, and at the time even considered doing his own KND Fanfic (even though, again, he had never seen the show itself).
He never got around to it. That may be a good thing though, as Best-Worst really isn't the best material to go by.
He's seen the show now, but isn't sure he wants to continue the project.
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