Fav SquareSoft game?

[numbuhm]

I would either have to say.. Legend of Mana or Threads of Fate. Or FF9. I'm not totally sure

[Nella (Numbuh 310)]

FFVII or FFT. Yep.

[numbuh541]

oh, p00t.
You know the vast majority's going to choose a Final Fantasy title, right?
My favorite FFs were IV, VI, and IX..... <flame> XI MUST DIE! </flame>

I really enjoyed Vagrant Story... but I would have to say that my absolute favorite game was Super Mario RPG.
Yup. Square and Nintendo's last piece of work 'fore they headed their seperate ways (as well upon the dawning of the '64, and the PS). It was, in fact, the game that spawned my liking for RPGs in the first place (hand-in hand with Zelda, of course). It was that awesome. *huggles Bowser-wowser as a protaganist*... x3

[arucardknd]

;D ;D ;D ;Dall ff games rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D

[kiyosuki]

Extremely tough question. FF VII is an undisputed classic, and I haven't played a game thats felt quite the same since. But Xenogears is also one of my favorite games, as is Seiken Densetsu 3 and Chrono Trigger and Cross.

Those are all my tops, out of them all I'll say Xenogears is no.1

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Kiyosuki said:

Extremely tough question. FF VII is an undisputed classic,

Actually, it's quite heavily disputed. And not just by me, either.

and I haven't played a game thats felt quite the same since. But Xenogears is also one of my favorite games, as is Seiken Densetsu 3 and Chrono Trigger and Cross.

Those are all my tops, out of them all I'll say Xenogears is no.1

I forget if I've already been in this thread or not, but anyway:

Chrono Trigger (you can *not* make a game better than Chrono Trigger)

Final Fantasy 1, 3, 4, and 6 (2 blew the big one and I haven't played much of 5 yet).

Xenogears is half-n-half for me. It's a good game but the second disc ruins it.

and finally... Secret of Mana.

[OneEyedPimp20]

Bushido Blade 1 and 2 are the classico sword fighting game. The first one is really short but the second one is long. The second has a good story mode. The boss is hard. I tried to beat him but the boss is good. He keeps on blocking too. I like samurai games. They're so damn good!! Hoody hoo!

[maxk]

It's about time someone has mentioned Bushido Blade. It's probably still one of the only realistic sword fighting games ever made. One strike could end a match!

Personally, I think the first Bushido Blade was somewhat better than the second. The second did have more characters and a longer story line, but the character models and the sound effects could have been better. And the dubed voices was kinda a turn off for me.

[numbuheightbitstar]

I only ever played the first Bushido Blade. You wouldn't believe how much time I spent on it.... I actually bothered to go through and get both endings for every character. and no, that's not as easy as it sounds. Particularly because of that gun guy.

[maxk]

You mean Katze? Yeah, I never liked fighting him. Since he has a gun, it makes it harder to defeat him honorably, and that's the only way you can continue on with the story.

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MaxK said:

You mean Katze? Yeah, I never liked fighting him. Since he has a gun, it makes it harder to defeat him honorably, and that's the only way you can continue on with the story.

There IS a trick to it though--you have to come at him from a slight angle, so that you're still technically in front of him but so he has to adjust his aim.

And, of course, you want to make that first slash count.

[kiyosuki]

I personally think VII is a classic now because although its debated probably endlessly by people, the fact is is that out of all the FF series its unmistakebly the most remembered, weither its positively or negatively. I think thats what constitutes a game to classic status, not necessarilly that everyone liked it, but that in comparison to the rest of the FF series it made the biggest impact. I know some that like 9, 6, 4 etc better but the fact is, is that while they're all great games none of them have quite left the same effect over people that VII has. The fact people still debate to this day over weither its a good game or not I think is testament to that. You don't hear about the other FF's nearly as much as you do FFVII and even in the general RPG and game realm, its considered one of the most talked about, controvertial, and remembered games out there. That and its easy to see that VII also affected an awful lot through how gaming is treated in the western world, how many more RPG's are brought over from Japan (I can guarantee you Star Ocrean:Till the End of Time, if it were released pre VII would never leave Japan.)

I personally think its a great game and it does sort of deserve the recognition it got, but thats my personal opinion and regardless of that, its still a classic because of all of the above. People remember games like VIII, X, XI, Xenogears, Wild Arms etc sure. But only a few can really show that they've really made a lasting impression on gaming. Thats why I put VII in the same place as Orcarina of Time, Chrono Trigger, Nights, Super Metroid etc. Its gone beyond cult following or just rememberance, its something people constantly live other games up to, or remember or constantly debate on weither its good or bad even to this day. Thats a classic to me.

Sorry about the rant. ;D

Bushido Blade was great. I think the concept behind it is almost criminally underexplored right now. There's so much more than can be explored with the concept of a "realistic (Well, more not totally, but mostly.)weapons fighter", where it can all be finished in one well timed blow. Advanced parrying, more use of the enviornments, a lot of stuff was never explored in the concept. I felt there were a hundred more directions the idea could go to.

Playing the original's storymode in black and white with subtitles was a trip. Like a classic Kurosawa situation.

I wish the sequel was a bit better than it was but still...

FFT, VII, CT, SD3 are favorites of mine but the reason why I liked Xenogears is I guess more or less personal taste. Its a game people either didn't like much or adored.

Now THATS a game that deserved to be more fleshed out. Try finding the Xenogears Perfect Works book to see just how much more was potentially going to be put into Xenogears.

The whole second disk(All those cool scenes only hinted at or briefly playable in disk 2 were all fully integrated into the RPG), two entire whole continents that are virtually unexplored in the game were to have a lot of cities and locations, Maria and Emeralda's gears were going to have Omni versions, El Regurus was playable for a large portion, you were going to delve more into the original elements' storyline and Dominia's background. Soooo much stuff was scrapped to make Disk 2 what it was. Its really kind of sad to me. I kind of wish Xenogears would be remade instead of making Xenosaga, but I guess what happens is what happens.

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Kiyosuki said:

I personally think VII is a classic now because although its debated probably endlessly by people, the fact is is that out of all the FF series its unmistakebly the most remembered, weither its positively or negatively. I think thats what constitutes a game to classic status, not necessarilly that everyone liked it, but that in comparison to the rest of the FF series it made the biggest impact. I know some that like 9, 6, 4 etc better but the fact is, is that while they're all great games none of them have quite left the same effect over people that VII has. The fact people still debate to this day over weither its a good game or not I think is testament to that. You don't hear about the other FF's nearly as much as you do FFVII and even in the general RPG and game realm, its considered one of the most talked about, controvertial, and remembered games out there. That and its easy to see that VII also affected an awful lot through how gaming is treated in the western world, how many more RPG's are brought over from Japan (I can guarantee you Star Ocrean:Till the End of Time, if it were released pre VII would never leave Japan.)

... You know, I never thought about it that way. But yea, "Classics" when it come to literature IS defined by books that had lasting impacts regardless of quality, so the same should be applied to games.

And yea, you're right about the Star Ocean thing, considering that the original SNES one was *never* released in the US...

[kiyosuki]

Yeah. I mean, I'll be the first to admit that I'm not the biggest fan of Mortal Kombat, but I realize that its one of the great classics because regardless of what I think of it, it had a lot more than its on credibility to remember it by, with the whole violence in games controversy it started. (Which I personally think is the only thing that sold it but once again thats just my opinion. Although the second was pretty fun..) Same thing with a game like SMB3 (Which I do very much love.). Unfortunatly its not as remembered now as I'd wish it was, but it was really one of those games that was really a big, lasting deal. OTher than being extremely good for its time, it was the first real console game that really used hype to make itself known before it was even released. Stuff like that.

Heh, we all have games or anything really we sometimes inevitably feel are overrated, but I think personal opinions and something's legacy or they're classic status exist on different levels. They're connected in how something can't become classic without fan or viewer feedback, but with classics both bad and good feedback can make it that way. If you think about it, thats really the only true way some kind of work can be considered something that stands out or is more deserving of rememberance, when every single human being's opinion differ's in one way or another. Its impossible for one thing to have everyone have the exact same opinion on it, but if its generally recognized one way or another, it draws those opinions and makes it remembered.

Ai, talk about overanalyzing a simple topic question. ;D

There's a lot of great Square and non Square RPG's that never left Japan during those times. Star Ocean being only one of many. Romancing Saga's being remade, I really hope those come state side. The Romancing's were great. Not one was ever localized.There's also Fire Emblem(4th was incredible), Popolocrois(real shame there, especially considering it was passed up for localization for Beyond the Beyond. ><) Seiken Densetsu 3(thank god for translated roms. This thing's nearly impossible to find in its original cart form nowadays.), and countless more.

[numbuheightbitstar]

You're wrong about SMB3 not being remembered. When it was rereleased on GBA it proceeded to break records... again. It's usually considered the best of the Mario games.

Personally I'm not too bothered about the RPGs that never make it--it's not like it's impossible to learn another language. But what does bother me are all the great RPGs that got overlooked that WERE available stateside.

Just recently, I played and beat a Sega Genesis game called Dungeons & Dragons: Warriors of the Eternal Sun. It was a unique game in a few ways--even before Chrono Trigger, this game did the "Battle start where you are instead of going to a seperate screen" thing, except that the game used a tactical battle system so that WHERE you started the fight could give you an advantage thanks to geography (it's actually possible to take on and beat high-level monsters with first-level characters if you can manuever them so they get stuck on a tree...). It also had a rather unique premise, instead of just saving the world. The Sega Genesis in general is a system that's not well-remembered for it's RPGs. Granted, it didn't have near as many as the SNES did, but most of the ones it did have were fresh or unique in some way.