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Post by iguana on Jun 26, 2005 19:46:39 GMT
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Post by scone on Jun 26, 2005 20:33:07 GMT
www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/11915462.htmthe claim that anyone's been eating fetuses is unproved. his license is being revoked for running an unclean facility, as it should be. women have a right to get their abortions in a safe, clean enviroment. also, i wouldn't trust any "news source" that has links on how to battle pro-choicers at the bottom. that'd count as biased, donchathink?
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Post by makuta on Jun 26, 2005 23:32:18 GMT
No, I think that environment's perfect for them. Grrr.... (I'm Catholic) That's really creepy!!! @_@ |
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Post by scone on Jun 27, 2005 7:37:13 GMT
No, I think that environment's perfect for them. Grrr.... (I'm Catholic) Well, not everybody else is. And like it or not, women have a legal right to a safe place to get their abortions. |
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Post by makuta on Jun 27, 2005 12:23:03 GMT
No, I think that environment's perfect for them. Grrr.... (I'm Catholic) Well, not everybody else is. And like it or not, women have a legal right to a safe place to get their abortions. What I meant by that is that I'm against abortion. Even if I wasn't Catholic, I'd be against abortion. Now, if a women/teen was pregnant and didn't know there were other solutions than abortion, that's not much to be angry about. That's ignorance. If one of you is going to die in labor, and you decide to have an abortion, that's also understandable. (But it would be so sweet if the mom died for her child) Back on subject, it said that no one had complained about his facilities before. I find that hard to believe! @_@ |
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Post by SAVE_US.WBTC on Jun 27, 2005 22:27:01 GMT
Even two of the most influential early Catholic philosophers, St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine of Hippo, have said that life does not begin after conception, but rather when the fetus develops a soul, roughly 40 days after. Most abortions are performed within that time frame. The Supreme Court has determined viability, when the fetus can survive outside the womb, to be the starting point of life. This is about 6 months after, again, long after most abortions have taken place. Before that, the fetus is just an extension of the mother's own body.
If you don't believe in a woman's right to choose what she does with her body, picture yourself in this scenario: You have been kidnapped by fans of a famous violinist. This violinist has a kidney disease that will kill him unless a transplant has been found. The violinist's followers strap you into his dialysis machine, where fluids from your body will make his kidneys work. You have to lay on a bed strapped to this machine for 9 months until a replacement is found. Do they have a right to do that to you, or do you, as an independent human entity, have a right to say you don't want to put yourself through the ordeal, and unplug yourself? I know this case is more applicable to rape, but let's say you volunteer to be hooked up to the violinist's machine for 9 months, but later decide you don't want to be incapacitated that long. You should still have the right to say for yourself that your body takes precedent over anyone else's.
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Post by Nella (Numbuh 310) on Jun 28, 2005 15:58:43 GMT
(But it would be so sweet if the mom died for her child) ....Wow. In my opinion, women should have the right to get an abortion. I'm not saying they should or they shouldn't, just that they have the RIGHT. Personally, I don't like to define the morality of abortions...I'm so sick of people labeling it as "right" and "wrong." Abortion is a gray area...let it rest. |
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Post by makuta on Jun 28, 2005 16:20:15 GMT
What about the baby's rite? Don't forget about the little people! If you have the ability to go through labor without something seriously dangerous/fatal happening, you should do that and put him/her up for adoption or something! I don't think it's a gray area. It's a big, big deal!
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Post by scone on Jun 28, 2005 17:54:12 GMT
Hmm. Well, dear, let's get you knocked up, kicked out of your house for being a "slut", beaten by your boyfriend 'cause you let yourself get preggers.... hell, let's make you black, too, 'cause despite what the fundies say the only kids who have a chance of adoption in this country are healthy white babies.
THEN we'll see how you feel.
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Post by Nella (Numbuh 310) on Jun 28, 2005 18:04:41 GMT
What about the baby's rite? Don't forget about the little people! Did you know that children/teenagers aren't protected by the US Constitution? I'm sure a ball of cells that's been developing for a few weeks doesn't have any rights either. But if the mother doesn't want the child/can't raise the child, she has every right not to go through with the pregnany and get an abortion. If you had a kid you didn't want, would you go through nine months of discomfort and then give birth, which is one of the most painful experiences a human being can have? I mean, yes, many women choose to go through with their pregnancy, but I'm sure you can see why many people don't. ....which is a gray area. |
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Post by diala on Jun 29, 2005 0:50:21 GMT
Let's not forget that adoption agencies are overcrowded as it is! A lot of adopted kids don't end up as perfect little angels, no thanks to them being shuffled from home to home... and that is if they get a chance at a home.
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Post by soren910 on Jun 29, 2005 3:05:10 GMT
abortion is still wrong. It is taking the life away from something. As a catholic, i feel that nobody has the right to steal the gift of life from anybody else. And diala, that is a unrespectable comment. that tells me that you think people have the right of killing babies. Abortion is no different than killing an already born baby. Just because it isn't born yet doesn't men that isn't alive. This is prolly gonna have some results like the homosexual thread.
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Post by diala on Jun 29, 2005 3:51:58 GMT
An unrespectful comment? Why? Because that is the sad truth, and I'd rather have a ball of unwanted cells die instead of letting it become a human being and having to live a troubled life.
And may I ask where in the hell did you see the sentence, "I'd like to kill unwanted children"? Because I certainly didn't see that sentence, or anything remotely related to it. I am just saying that adoption clinics are overcrowded, and instead of adding to that cycle, we should kill unwanted pregnancies at the start while the cells are not remotely human.
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Post by SAVE_US.WBTC on Jun 29, 2005 3:54:22 GMT
abortion is still wrong. It is taking the life away from something. As a catholic, i feel that nobody has the right to steal the gift of life from anybody else. And diala, that is a unrespectable comment. that tells me that you think people have the right of killing babies. Abortion is no different than killing an already born baby. Just because it isn't born yet doesn't men that isn't alive. This is prolly gonna have some results like the homosexual thread. How do we prove that it is alive? By the time most abortions take place, the fetus can't survive outside the womb any more than the mother's heart, liver, or spleen can sustain itself independently. |
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Post by Nella (Numbuh 310) on Jul 1, 2005 1:32:38 GMT
How do we prove that it is alive? By the time most abortions take place, the fetus can't survive outside the womb any more than the mother's heart, liver, or spleen can sustain itself independently. Bingo. Isn't it funny how religion becomes a major factor in these arguments? Separation of church and state, people. Geez. Let's not forget that adoption agencies are overcrowded as it is! A lot of adopted kids don't end up as perfect little angels, no thanks to them being shuffled from home to home... and that is if they get a chance at a home. How on earth is this a disrespectful comment? It's true. I wonder why. |
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