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Post by ttdpkndfreakfan on Sept 2, 2006 15:13:13 GMT
Hi...!! ;D........................
coughcoughonecoughstrokecoughcoughlizziecough.
Bye...!!
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Post by GoldenFlither on Sept 2, 2006 15:40:35 GMT
Do you need any cough medicine? I only have cherry.  I'm not saying that your 1/5 trust idea is not founded (sure, I can see that 1 and 5 really trust each other!), but I'm saying that the same arguement logically can not be applied to 1/Lizzie as well in order to show that they don't have a viable relationship. Thats true. And you are right. Although trust is important, it is not the only important thing. I am really sorry that I'm only taking on one factor. It must be pretty annoying.  Not true. Just because Nigel and Lizzie are in a relationship, it doesn't make it a viable relationship. Yes, it has lasted long so far, but what would happen in the near future? Well, I guess I can't say that.. who knows that will happen in the future. Man, your so good at this explaining thing! I suck.  Yes, that is very true. I can't really argue with it. Ughs! I know what you mean about that. I'm always repeating my explanations. But your pretty good at it. Your unbeatable.  [edit] To carry on about the not only being about trust thing. As I mentioned, the balance of similarities with differences is just as important. Nigel and Lizzie, through my theory, are way too different. Nigel loves being in the Kids Next Door, considering it’s practically his life. However, Lizzie is not in the KND. (No, duh..) But think about it. How many times has Lizzie shown up while Nigel was either relaxing from KND work, or working on the KND work? It’s a given fact that Nigel wants to balance the KND with having a girlfriend. And I am not saying he should spend all of his time with the KND. Lizzie shows up during his KND time sometimes, right? Nigel was doing a perfectly good job of going for dates with Lizzie. So how much attention does Lizzie need? We’ve never seen her hanging out with her own friends. I think Lizzie wants Nigel to spend more time with her, otherwise she wouldn’t be showing up everywhere. Okay, well not everywhere. But I’m hoping you get my drift. In conclusion, I think Lizzie wants a little more attention than what Nigel is giving her. Anyways, back to the “similarities and differences.” I don’t know how to describe them, or even list them. But overall, other than the fact that they seem to really like each other, Nigel and Lizzie are two completely different people. So what about 1/5? They are the same, yes, and being too similar is a problem as well. However, they are not completely the same either. Nigel is a guy who’s favorite hobby is work, excitement, and worrying. Abby is a girl who is laid-back, calm, and.. well, that’s it. That’s what makes them different. And that is also a positive aspect to if they ever start.. you know. Its kind of like a husband/wife thing. One is always concerned and worrying, and the other is there to calm him/her (in this case: him) down. |
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Post by Nella (Numbuh 310) on Sept 2, 2006 16:24:34 GMT
Okay, so your new argument is that there needs to be a balance of similarities and differences. And all you describe is the 1/5 dynamic and say you like it. Then you bring in this "balance" thing, which does nothing but give a name to the reasons you ship 1/5. And then you say 1/Lizzie doesn't have that "balance." Well, duh. That's not really a good argument.
Ew, no. That doesn't strike me as being a good couple. One always taking care of the other? Too much responsibility on Abby's part.
And 2/5 is the bicker like a married couple ship.
I'm afraid I can't articulate myself as well as Regan, but I hope you get my point.
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Post by regan on Sept 2, 2006 16:32:31 GMT
You know what will solve all of this?
ABBY x THE MOLE. >XP *is shot in the face*
~Regan
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Post by Nella (Numbuh 310) on Sept 2, 2006 16:34:30 GMT
ABBY x THE MOLE. >XP *is shot in the face* SHEET SHEET, I REMEMBER THAT FIC DRABBLE! |
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Post by jeanedwar on Sept 2, 2006 17:04:53 GMT
I'm kinda lazy to carefully read all the stuff being discussed here at the moment ^^; but I agree that this is simply a battle between a cannon vs. an otp
I think debates/arguments of such a match is pointless . . . . since the other is cannon. Saying which is the better pairing are all opinions ^^;
It will be another story if the couples are both non-cannon. But I don't want 1/362 and 2/5 to be dragged in such stuff T_T debates are healthy (since we get to be open to other ideas) but if gone serious, they're a pain in the neck ^^;
No, no, I'm not taking sides. I'm on the neutral zone since I like both couples ^^; Ehehehe . . .. . just stating my opinion of what has happened so far in this thread ^^;
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Post by unifilar on Sept 2, 2006 18:39:44 GMT
I'm sorry if I'm missing your point, but I'm only responding to what you're saying in your posts. o.o
Nope. Those were never my exact words. I know for a fact I NEVER used the word 'viable'. So I don't know where you're getting that quote from.
The lack of trust in 1/Lizzie's relationship makes ME not like it. I NEVER said they don't have a relationship. They do. It's a relationship that has an unbalance of trust/faith. Just because no one has said, "I can't trust you." doesn't mean the lack of said trust isn't there. You keep on making me point out LEADER and HOLIDAY.
They still have a relationship. It's still there. I still don't see how that can automatically equal they have trust. Many relationships in real life are still going, but they don't have trust. I wouldn't want any part of those relationships either.
But that trust is unfounded- she 'promised' him she'd never use the boyfriend helmet again, but she also 'promised' she would never play LEADER again, but then she did. Abby has proven, time and time again, that Nigel can trust her.
Well, it's a good thing I never said 1/Lizzie don't have a growing relationship then, eh? (Remember, I said while it grows in some areas, it declines in others.) I believe more along the lines that because 1/Lizzie have an unbalance of trust in their relationship, it's not plausible to me. Hope that clears things up.
EDIT:
No. It's fact. Allow to gesture madly to HOLIDAY and LEADER once more.
Lizzie LIED to Nigel. Lizzie doesn't trust Nigel to not cheat on her.
Now I believe I can be arrested murdering the words trust, relationship, LEADER, and HOLIDAY.
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Post by gabbie on Sept 2, 2006 18:56:23 GMT
Lizzie LIED to Nigel. Lizzie doesn't trust Nigel to not cheat on her. Considering the way he flirted with Eizzil in POOL, I'd say that distrust is justified. And, if Nigel is the untrustworthy one, I don't see how the trust arguement disqualifies 1/Lizzie and puts 1/5 into the picture. And I KNOW I am going to be slapping myself later for getting reinvolved here >__< *runs away from thread as fast as she can* |
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Post by scone on Sept 2, 2006 19:57:38 GMT
Moving away from the 'trust argument' into a larger issue I see around...
The problem I see is not that 1/5 shippers ship 1/5, but that they try and make an argument that it can/will happen in canon, and point out canonical reasons 1/Lizzie will fail. Which is... silly.
Dudes. I'm a slasher. I've accepted that no pairing I like will ever be canonical and you know what? Doesn't stop me from shipping/writing/squeeing whatever. Just deal with it.
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Post by GoldenFlither on Sept 2, 2006 20:17:43 GMT
I'm sick of attempting descriptions of why I voted 1/5 over 1/Lizzie. So I'm just going to answer what people say as short as I can. To Uni: Amen, sister! Your so much better at this describing thing. To Nella: What? Why isn't it a good arguement? I did not quite understand what you said. And, of course I'm stating the reasons why I like 1/5. You know why? Because I like 1/5. Isn't that what this thread is about? Its stating your opinion. As I like to say, its all a matter of your own opinion. I'm not trying to put anybody down. Heck I'll admit it, I really do like 1/Lizzie. ;D In a humorous way. I just choose 1/5 because I'm one of those people who fell in love while watching "Pride and Prejudice" because of its non-humor. To Regan: Moles are cool! To Sapphire Pyro: I agree. Its a hard debate between a canon and a non-canon couple. ;; To Gabbie: Run, hunnie, run! All I wanted to point out is that relationships are better off if you trust the person your dating. I'm not attempting to put 1/Lizzie down. I just think.. never mind. I'll leave it there. To Scone: I'm not going to say your wrong, because you aren't. Your almost completely right. But you don't have to be a 1/5 shipper, or a 1/362 shipper, or a 1/86 shipper, or any other 1/OC or Lizzie/OC to notice that 1/Lizzie is not perfect (Yes, its just a cartoon.. but for the fun of it). Its not that it will really fail in the show. Or its not that I am hoping it will fail in the show. --- I have an incredibly big imagination. I can daydream about 1/5 all I want. I can write all I want; I can debate with 2/5 shippers and 1/Lizzie shippers, and yatta yatta.. but that won't change Mr. Warburton's mind. So please, everyone remain calm. Mr. Warburton makes the surprises for us. |
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Post by Nella (Numbuh 310) on Sept 3, 2006 2:27:00 GMT
The problem I see is not that 1/5 shippers ship 1/5, but that they try and make an argument that it can/will happen in canon, and point out canonical reasons 1/Lizzie will fail. Which is... silly. Indeed. Well said. This is the major problem with 1/5 and their consequent views of 1/Lizzie. Your ship is not going to replace 1/Lizzie. Write fics, draw fanart, talk about how cute the couple is, but it's not going to be canon. You're delusional. To Nella: What? Why isn't it a good arguement? I did not quite understand what you said. And, of course I'm stating the reasons why I like 1/5. You know why? Because I like 1/5. Isn't that what this thread is about? Its stating your opinion. As I like to say, its all a matter of your own opinion. I'm not trying to put anybody down. What you were attempting to do, as I saw it, is to justify the reasons you like 1/5 and why you think it works as opposed to 1/Lizzie. What you did was basically say why you like 1/5. Sure, it's your opinion, but it's no justification. ...For starters, P&P is one of my favorite books ever. So, wait, let me get this straight. Are you saying, "P&P has romance that is neither humorous nor silly. That is why I like 1/5"? If I recall, a lot of P&P's charm is its witty banter. So that statement makes no sense. If you were saying, "I love charming romance", that still doesn't make sense to me, as that's not anything like the 1/5 dynamic. I'm afraid that joke just went completely over your head. XD And the canon. Which is 1/Lizzie. |
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Post by digigirl02 on Sept 3, 2006 2:54:08 GMT
I don't see 1/lizzie breaking up any time soon.
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Post by diala on Sept 3, 2006 6:35:20 GMT
I've read a good chunk of this thread, and I find it sad how people are underestimating One's intelligence and will.
Seriously, what is keeping him in a relationship with Lizzie? I know she can be "manipulative," but One has enough skill and weapons to fully get her off his back if need be. If he can keep adult tyranny under control, I think he can keep his girlfriend, if he desires.
However, he doesn't feel like it. Why is that? Maybe because he LIKES Lizzie and her silly antics, and maybe he ENJOYS having her shove her nose into his business. He certainly isn't a pushover towards others, boys or girls. Why would he suddenly turn belly at Lizzie's demand, unless he cares about her? (and perhaps enjoys being a second wheel for once?)
I am not going to debate 1/5, since I have no problem with that. I just want to defend 1/Lizzie, perhaps because I like it, and I have a bit more faith in One and his choices.
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Post by digigirl02 on Sept 3, 2006 15:27:15 GMT
I agree. And Nigel does seem to like her alot.(and that is what is really important.)
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Post by GoldenFlither on Sept 3, 2006 18:10:57 GMT
Okay then. Aside from the fact that it is canon, what reasons do you believe that it will last? I've said almost all of my reasons why I prefer ( Note: "Prefer".. not "think that Lizzie and Nigel will break up and Nigel will go to Abby") 1/5. 1: Its my favorite book too! Actually, I'm still reading it. But I like it so far. I've already seen the movie though. 2: Yes there's humor, as there would be 1/5 humor. But Pride and Prejudice (and 1/5) is not all humor. And 1/Lizzie.. well, how often do you see them being serious? 3: Okay, here's a better one: "The Notebook." Now that's my favorite story. *laughs* I know. But I like moles. They really are cool. *sticks tongue out* Nah, I'm totally kidding. But think about it, though. Numbuh 274 was the best operative ever, and then he betrayed the KND. We find out the Delightful Children are delightfulized Sector Z, Father is Numbuh 1's uncle, and other surprising stuff. Who knows? Mr. Warburton may surprise us again. *wink wink nudge nudge* Nothing's impossible. |
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Yes, that is very true. I can't really argue with it.
