1/3 and 4/5 Discussion Thread ^__^

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Tako said:

By the way, have you seen this site? www.freewebs.com/oneandthree/index.htm
The owner is actually a 1/3, 2/5 fan.

Actually no, I hadn't seen that site... which is strange because I've actually spoken with it's owner before....

EDIT: Okay, after having looked over the site for a bit, I must admit, her "proofs" are a little shakey at best. I also read one of her fanfics (Operation RAIN ALWAYS) and honestly didn't like how she handled the 1/3 pairing--it was similar to those 3/4 stories where something happens to 3 and 4 has to rescue her, only it was 1/3.

DOUBLE EDIT: Speaking of 1/3 Pages, I updated my own. I took out any proofs that weren't episode-specific but replaced them with a "Why 1/3 is Better Than..." section ^__^ (No offense to fans of those other couples. Just remember it's all my opinion).
www.angelfire.com/comics/nes_star/KND/NKShrine.html

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Tako said:

Yay, my turn to offer my opinions.

1/3
IS IT A CRIME TO LIKE 1/3 AND 2/5? 1/3 AND 2/4? 1/3 AND 2/362 AND 4/LENNY AND 5/STICKYBEARD? Okay, I was just kidding on the last one, but really...

i have a friend who is in vague support of 5/stickybeard.

and a lot of people in this fandom are really hostile towards slash, so it is almost a crime, yeah.

and to make this post ON TOPIC.....

i'm not very fond of either. i really don't like Three that much (i just can't see Three being equal enough, as far as maturity goes, to have a real, balanced relationship with pretty much anybody), and while i can somewhat stand 4/5, both of them break up my favorite pairing. and i am very picky about my favorite pairing.

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I am guilty of supporting 5/Stickybeard . Go ahead and sue me !

Here's my opinion on 1/3 and 4/5.

1/3

Well, I agree with Tako, Numbuh 1 doesn't seem to enjoy Numbuh 3's company. He's usually like "**slaps forehead**Ugh..." And I can't see it happening in the future. Yeah, it's a short opinion, but it's what I think about it.

4/5

Eh, I can only see them as good friends. All I have to say about it.

[tako]

Man, I'm a guilty 5/Stickybeard supporter too. Darn, if only there wasn't a 20 year age difference between them! Or maybe 15 year age difference. No, but seriously, in Op. PIRATE, Stickybeard calls Numbuh 5 "my sweet-toothed maiden". I'm serious.

Anyway, got to get back on topic. About your 1/3 page, I think that since it's a page dedicated to 1/3, you can include more iffy proofs, like how Numbuh 3 kept looking at Numbuh 1's butt in BRIEF, or how Numbuh 1 threw up Numbuh 3 and she fell on him in ZOO. You don't have to call it proof, but you could put a section called "1/3 Moments" or something and put small 1/3 stuff there.

And I have two points to argue about 1/3 is better than 1/Lizzie.

Kuki wouldn't need to use mind control to get Nigel on a date.

Oh really? This is completely unjustified because Numbuh 3's NEVER gone out on a date with Numbuh 1, or even tried. The way I see it, Nigel would be too shy to go out on a date with anyone, if the rest of his team knew.

Lizzie gets on his nerves practically every time she's on screen.

... Except for the times when he's looking at her with goo-goo eyes.


Oh, also, your 1/3 page still has 3 spelling/grammar errors: two "it's" and one "who'se".

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scone said:

i'm not very fond of either. i really don't like Three that much (i just can't see Three being equal enough, as far as maturity goes, to have a real, balanced relationship with pretty much anybody),

I agree completely. Well, I like Numbah Three, but I have problems seeing her in a relationship. Everyone else is so much more mature, I actually think they'd get sick of dating her...

"What do you want to do today?"

"Let's play on the playground!!!"

I have no problems picturing her in a cute holding-hands crush type relationship, but the serious kinds that everyone on ff.net likes showing...? Nope.

And, of course, Numbah 1 is probably the most mature (well, maybe Numbah 5) of the team, and I imagine fairly quickly it would stop being "Oh my new girlfriend is so sweet and cute!" and start being "Okay, please stop playing around so much!"

Which is why, after much thought, I prefer Numbah 3 paired with no-one. She likes romance, sure, but she's perfectly happy without it. ^^

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Tako said:

Anyway, got to get back on topic. About your 1/3 page, I think that since it's a page dedicated to 1/3, you can include more iffy proofs, like how Numbuh 3 kept looking at Numbuh 1's butt in BRIEF, or how Numbuh 1 threw up Numbuh 3 and she fell on him in ZOO. You don't have to call it proof, but you could put a section called "1/3 Moments" or something and put small 1/3 stuff there.

I'm thinking of renaming the "Proof" to "Nigel/Kuki Moments," now that you've put the idea in my head--"Moments" really is a more accurate term than "Proof."

Oh really? This is completely unjustified because Numbuh 3's NEVER gone out on a date with Numbuh 1, or even tried. The way I see it, Nigel would be too shy to go out on a date with anyone, if the rest of his team knew.

Notice I said "wouldn't." Seriously, I can't see Numbuh Three having to use any but her own inherent charm.

And the rest of the team knows about Lizzie. Hasn't stopped Nigel yet.

... Except for the times when he's looking at her with goo-goo eyes.

Ummm... and those times are?

Oh, also, your 1/3 page still has 3 spelling/grammar errors: two "it's" and one "who'se".

I corrected the Who'se, but I can't determine which It's are wrong.... I can do anything else right, but "It's" are a problem area, so are "Whose" because sometimes I can't tell whether "Whose" or "Who's" is more appropriate.

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Time for my thoughts ;D:

1/3:
I believe I've mentioned before that 1/3 is my favorite Kuki couple that isn't 3/4, and that "Love Wars" and "Under the Stars" got me into it. They just look cute together, and I just can really see how the relationship could work. I'm still more of a 3/4 fan, but if that couple doesn't work out, I'll be happy if 1/3 happens.

4/5:
I can see where people get the idea of 4/5. But I don't think Wally and Abby's relationship will get any farther than just being friends or teammates.

[tako]

JamesEightBitStar said:

Notice I said "wouldn't." Seriously, I can't see Numbuh Three having to use any but her own inherent charm.

Well, you're right. I personally can see Numbuh 3 considering using a Boyfriend Helmet to get someone to go out on a date with her, but maybe that's because I think she's kind of similar to Lizzie. But this is just a matter of perception, and our perceptions are always going to be different, so you can put whatever you want.

JamesEightBitStar said:

And the rest of the team knows about Lizzie. Hasn't stopped Nigel yet.

<.<;; Well, as far as we know, Numbuh 1 only went on two official dates with Lizzie. The first one was against his will and the second one, he was pressured by the rest of the team to go on. The time spent at the carnival (an unofficial date, I guess) was before the rest of the team knew, and when they found out, he tried to end the date as soon as possible.

JamesEightBitStar said:

Ummm... and those times are?

Beginning of LIZZIE, where he's smiling and holding her hand.
In DATE, when he's dancing with her the second time.
It's far from the truth to say that Nigel is annoyed with her "practically every time she's on screen". Sometimes, he's embarrassed by her. Sometimes, he just ignores her. Sometimes, he's having a good time with her. I think you should rewatch the episodes that she's in.

JamesEightBitStar said:

I corrected the Who'se, but I can't determine which It's are wrong.... I can do anything else right, but "It's" are a problem area, so are "Whose" because sometimes I can't tell whether "Whose" or "Who's" is more appropriate.

"This page is in it's preliminary stages! As time goes on I will add, remove, and alter various thingamasomethings here and there. I may even turn this into it's own mini-web site eventually."

The two "it's" (argh, "it's"'s?) in those sentences.

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Tako said:

Well, you're right. I personally can see Numbuh 3 considering using a Boyfriend Helmet to get someone to go out on a date with her, but maybe that's because I think she's kind of similar to Lizzie. But this is just a matter of perception, and our perceptions are always going to be different, so you can put whatever you want.

Personally I see her as being similar to Lizzie in some ways too, except that IMO Kuki has a lot of traits that make her cute and cuddly, while Lizzie has some of those same traits, but done over so that she's obnoxious and annoying.

<.<;; Well, as far as we know, Numbuh 1 only went on two official dates with Lizzie. The first one was against his will and the second one, he was pressured by the rest of the team to go on. The time spent at the carnival (an unofficial date, I guess) was before the rest of the team knew, and when they found out, he tried to end the date as soon as possible.

Yea, but that was Nigel's first romantic involvement and he IS a ten year old boy. He just didn't know how to handle it and ended up handling it in the worst way possible. As we can see he's matured since then.

Though I don't think Op. DATE counts, because Nigel himself says "It's not a date, it was NEVER a date, and even if you thought it WAS a date, I don't care!"

"This page is in it's preliminary stages! As time goes on I will add, remove, and alter various thingamasomethings here and there. I may even turn this into it's own mini-web site eventually."

The two "it's" (argh, "it's"'s?) in those sentences.

Fortunately, that paragraph is gone now. It has been replaced with a new one.

[tako]

JamesEightBitStar said:

Yea, but that was Nigel's first romantic involvement and he IS a ten year old boy. He just didn't know how to handle it and ended up handling it in the worst way possible. As we can see he's matured since then.

Though I don't think Op. DATE counts, because Nigel himself says "It's not a date, it was NEVER a date, and even if you thought it WAS a date, I don't care!"

Er... I forgot what we were discussing, but are you agreeing with my original point here?

JamesEightBitStar said:

Fortunately, that paragraph is gone now. It has been replaced with a new one.

I went back and looked at the page again, and I must say that I like the Nigel/Kuki moments section very much! (Although it's called "Nigel/Kuki Kuki Moments", for some reason.)

However, as much as I like the 1/3 Moments section, I was kind of incensed by the bottom part of the page. I think it was much better when it only consisted of objective points against each couple rather than having subjective rants too. Also, I must come to the defense of 1/5.

Come on! The primary "proof" this couple has is that they get into a lot of arguements! That's proof? Since when? (Furthermore it's not exactly true--at my last check, these two have only debated in like three episodes, they're nowhere near as "Conflicting" as some would have you believe).

Okay, this is the same trick you used on 2/5. The primary proof for 1/5 isn't that they argue a lot. It's that Numbuh 5 seems to genuinely care a lot about Numbuh 1 and seems to be the closest to him. I mean, if you count how many times Numbuh 5 calls out "Numbuh 1!!" in a concerned tone, you'll see where 1/5 fans are coming from.

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Tako said:

However, as much as I like the 1/3 Moments section, I was kind of incensed by the bottom part of the page. I think it was much better when it only consisted of objective points against each couple rather than having subjective rants too.

I felt the same way, but thankfully you said it better than I could have. (I didn't know how to say it w/o looking... you know... mad, flamey, etc.)

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Tako said:

Er... I forgot what we were discussing, but are you agreeing with my original point here?

I think I am, but I can't remember.

I went back and looked at the page again, and I must say that I like the Nigel/Kuki moments section very much! (Although it's called "Nigel/Kuki Kuki Moments", for some reason.)

EEP! Typos!

However, as much as I like the 1/3 Moments section, I was kind of incensed by the bottom part of the page. I think it was much better when it only consisted of objective points against each couple rather than having subjective rants too. Also, I must come to the defense of 1/5.

No you needn't. You'll note that I admitted I like the 1/5 couple, too. I call the situation as I see it, and being something of a 1/5 fan myself (incuding having even been to a few 1/5 sites and hung out with former 1/5 fans) I can quite safely say that I'm not mistaken about them arguing being the "primary" (note the word: PRIMARY. That does not mean "only") proof.

Anyway, in defense of adding my "Personal Thoughts" about each of the couples I mentioned, well, your page has 'em, so why not? ^__^ Whatever the case, I don't see what's so wrong with them... they're all clearly IMO and I don't see how they could be at all offensive (save possibly the 1/Lizzie one's exclamation that those two are "totally incompatible" and ow I'd wish they'd break up).

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JamesEightBitStar said:

No you needn't. You'll note that I admitted I like the 1/5 couple, too. I call the situation as I see it, and being something of a 1/5 fan myself (incuding having even been to a few 1/5 sites and hung out with former 1/5 fans) I can quite safely say that I'm not mistaken about them arguing being the "primary" (note the word: PRIMARY. That does not mean "only") proof.

Well, I've never really been a 1/5 fan, so I guess that your word has more weight than mine. ^^

JamesEightBitStar said:

Anyway, in defense of adding my "Personal Thoughts" about each of the couples I mentioned, well, your page has 'em, so why not? ^__^ Whatever the case, I don't see what's so wrong with them... they're all clearly IMO and I don't see how they could be at all offensive (save possibly the 1/Lizzie one's exclamation that those two are "totally incompatible" and ow I'd wish they'd break up).

Well, I was hoping you wouldn't bring up that point. ^^;;; The thing is, at the beginning, I really didn't have to worry about my romance section because my sister and I only included couples that at least one of us supported or the both of us felt neutral on, meaning that there wasn't a couple that both of us would say negative things about. However, I decided that it would be better to get rid of couples that didn't have any evidence and go for ones that had evidence, which I could find and pick out. Unfortunately, that meant that I would have to add couples that neither my sister nor I liked. I actually don't really have VERY negative feelings toward any couple, but I try to make my opinions softer anyway, because I regard the main purpose of my romance section to be mainly providing a lot of proof for a lot of couples, and not really expressing my opinion about a couple too much. Unless it happens to be 2/5 or 86/274. ^_____^

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Tako said:

Unless it happens to be 2/5 or 86/274. ^_____^

I used to SO love the idea of 86/274... then he turned evil.

But it could still work! They've only got a three-year difference!

But then, who does that leave Numbuh Two with?

You know, that reminds me of another thing... people always think that if Hoagie doesn't get paired, he's out of the romance wheel. But if you look at it, if you eliminate 3 and 5 from the running, there's STILL Tons of people left for Hoagie. In away, he's lucky... I never had THAT many potential girlfriends when I was ten...

[numbuhm]

Hi everyone Just wanted to let everyone know MY opinions on 1/3 and 4/5.

1/3-

Gotta love it! I know a lot of people think Nigel gets annoyed by her but then again, he's really serious. And he likes to stay focused. Personally, the couple is balanced out. You've got the happy and upbeat personality and then the serious and quiet personality (okay maybe Nigel isn't quiet but I'm just saying!). And a lot of people I've heard say they resemble siblings. So? Everyone acts like their siblings at one point or the other.


4/5-

Cute! Although I do prefer 2/5, 4/5 is still another favorite couple of mine. Yeah, they don't normally get along, but no one really does in KND. Even so, it's still pretty cute.