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Post by diala on Mar 7, 2005 10:16:18 GMT
I don't know if this concept has been discussed yet, but I don't see it very often...
We all certainly know the evidence that helps support a couple (for instance, more than friendly interaction), but what about evidence that shows that they wouldn't get along well? For instance, the fact that Four often insults Three and her likings could be considered "negative" evidence.
Do you think this sort of proof should be considered in viewing couples? Do you even believe in it? If so, how much importance should the "proof" have?
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Post by pip25 on Mar 7, 2005 11:31:35 GMT
Tricky subject.
It's quite hard to talk about "negative evidence", when even "positive evidence" is so loosely defined. I say that because what one claims to be positive evidence greatly varies from person to person. There are some really obvious evidences which aren't really questionable (some 3/4 scenes, for instance), but a great amount of the things which are presented as evidences are only seen as such because the one who found this evidence is a fan of the couple. Negative evidence can be quite subjective as well, but this time the people who don't like the couple would present negative evidences which are questionable.
This, however, wouldn't hurt a debate about negative evidences too much if an another factor wouldn't be in play: Unlike positive evidences, negative evidences can sometimes be interpreted in the completely opposite way. In fact, it's a somewhat common thing in fandom, that a shipper of a pairing explains his/her reasons as: "Hey, they hate each other so much, they must secretely have a thing for each other." I know the validity of such a train of thought is questionable, but it is common. For instance, the KND fandom also has such pairings and fans...
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Post by diala on Mar 7, 2005 12:31:53 GMT
This, however, wouldn't hurt a debate about negative evidences too much if an another factor wouldn't be in play: Unlike positive evidences, negative evidences can sometimes be interpreted in the completely opposite way. In fact, it's a somewhat common thing in fandom, that a shipper of a pairing explains his/her reasons as: "Hey, they hate each other so much, they must secretely have a thing for each other." I know the validity of such a train of thought is questionable, but it is common. For instance, the KND fandom also has such pairings and fans... Interesting point. I do notice the whole "opposites attract" mentality a lot. However, one has to ask: when is opposite TOO opposite? Are the contridictions in the right place in which they won't "clash"? It is popular to pair completely opposite people together, but there MUST be a line somewhere. A reason for many opposite parings is what I call "hidden desire." Take a stereotypical movie gang biker man and sweet straight-A student girl you see in many popular 50's movies, for example. The girl longs to be like the biker because he lives a "wild and dangerous" life. The biker longs for the girl because, even if he won't admit it, he desires to have some sort of stability in his life. I may not be any sort of relationship expert, but a lot of what makes up a good attraction is the desire to be like your partner. How about things such as politics, then? Certainly the religious conservative doesn't long to be like the hippie liberal. Clashing and arguments are almost inevitable. Even if they do like political debates, they would have trouble seeing eye-to-eye on how they live their life together, what they do, etc. That is where the line is, and where "opposites attract" becomes "negative evidence." Just a thought. |
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Post by ffx2player on Mar 27, 2005 4:37:08 GMT
Woah. That's good, both of ya. I'm going to seem stupid and anti-climatic but I like oppisites because you need someone to balence you out.(hot-temper needs calm or workaholic needs layed back)
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Post by crazyasiangirl217 on Mar 28, 2005 1:28:06 GMT
Woah. That's good, both of ya. I'm going to seem stupid and anti-climatic but I like oppisites because you need someone to balence you out.(hot-temper needs calm or workaholic needs layed back) Hot-tempered needs calm= Wally/Kuki Workaholic needs layed back= Nigel or Hoagie(Depends how you look at it)/ Abby |
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Post by diala on Mar 28, 2005 4:20:31 GMT
Hot-tempered needs calm= Wally/Kuki I wouldn't call either of them "hot-tempered" or "calm." Four is just fiesty and energetic, and Three is far from "calm"; she's more happy and bouncy. |
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Post by thuhjesheekuh on Mar 29, 2005 0:02:44 GMT
Good points all around. Negative evidence is always very important. It's just like in persuasive writing or speaking: it's usually not enough to just present your point because the other side could have equally good points that need to be taken into account. In such a situation, the person needs to take their opposition's evidence and address it as well. If a student were to prepare a debate about why the purpose of Marc Antony's speech is actually to impress Cleopatra, he would need to include evidence as to why it is not to arouse anger in the Plebeians over Caesar's death. The student he debates against would include evidence as to why Antony's purpose is to make the Plebeians angry and not to impress Cleopatra. So, in the case of, say, 2x5, the supporter would usually look at evidence of the two interacting well together, something that would indicate the two would like each other. At the same time there could be a 1x5 supporter presenting reasons why 1x5 would make a good couple. That is when each side would need to present the other with evidence as to why the other couple would not work. That being done, each person's argument is strengthened immeasurably. ...I am so going to own that A.P. Language exam.  |
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Post by NumbuhInfinity on Mar 29, 2005 0:08:35 GMT
I got one. Nigel and Lizzie are currently in a "relationship", as far into it as ten-year-olds can, but Nigel is a workaholic and gets a little uptight, and his work in the KND sometimes makes him forget or have to postpone/cancel their "dates" or other outings together. He also needs to just chill and relax. Lizzie would get too clingy and needs to learn or remember that Nigel's job is the KND and that's heavy work.
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Post by scone on Mar 29, 2005 7:10:24 GMT
...I am so going to own that A.P. Language exam. ooh, AP Lang? that was a good test - i remember writing some good essays for that one. now, the US history, that one sucked. XD on topic: uhhh, negative evidence is important as far as it reveals the interaction of personalities, same as positive. |
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