what if KND stayed how it was in season 1?

[numbah74]

i always sometimes wonder that. It wouldnt be nearly as good. But another thing , what if the show just showed sector V but we did know and hear of other numbuhs but the show just showed sector V? personally that would be really bad. Imagine what the movie wouldve been like?

[thesuki]

I don't think the show could have done nearly as much with itself if it stayed only Sector V. A large portion of the show involves the Global Kids Next Door, even in a small way.

[numbuheightbitstar]

Personally I never liked the non-Sector V characters so I really would've preferred the show to remain V-focused.

There were other things, I think, that distinguished Season 1 from the rest of the seasons as well:

* In season one, you got the idea that the KND was a minor/unpopular rebellion group (well, until you saw Op. CHAD, anyway).

* There were more team-focused episodes. In fact this is probably the only season where they actually acted like a team.

* There were things in their lives besides Yipper cards and Rainbow Monkeys.

* It also seemed like the "Kids vs. Adults" war was very much limited in scope, and in some instances was entirely in the kids' heads (Op. POINT). I really rather much liked this. Nowadays though it seems that the KND and the Evil Adults are EVERYWHERE and involved in EVERYTHING.

Actually, one thing in general I liked about Season One was that it gave the impression of a large and varied world, it wasn't neat and tidy. But the later seasons went and tidied up everything.

It's sorta like what happened to Star Wars: In the original three movies, there was a lot of chaos, not everyone was connected. But then the prequel trilogy went and tried to feed us the ideas that Yoda personally knew Chewbacca, that C-3PO was created by Darth Vader, and that Boba Fett is related to the Stormtroopers because they're both clones of this one guy. It connected and tidied up everything, and not only did it stretch credibility, but it made the SW universe more dull as a result (though it did bring up amusing questions about Boba Fett's aim). KND has done the same darn thing with practically the same results. In that sense, I would LOVE KND to be more like the first season--people are connected strictly through having knowledge of each other, period. No "Father is really Nigel's uncle whose father was beaten by Nigel's father," or "Numbuh 86's dad is the boss man," no "all villains are part of the same club" etc. That's too neat and tidy, and neat and tidy = dull when applied to a fantasy setting.

[valerie]

numbuheightbitstar said:

No "Father is really Nigel's uncle whose father was beaten by Nigel's father," or "Numbuh 86's dad is the boss man," no "all villains are part of the same club" etc. That's too neat and tidy, and neat and tidy = dull when applied to a fantasy setting.

Well, I know for a fact that the Mr. Boss being Fanny's dad thing wasn't an attempt to make things neat and tidy. It was actually just a random episode idea. When Andy came on board as a writer Mr. W asked for ideas, and Andy said, "Uh, what if we make Mr. Boss Numbuh 86's dad?" And Mr. W was like, "...That is SO random. I LOVE IT." It was more for just humor and wtf-ery than "Let's connect everybody! :D:D"

In regards to Season One, I personally think the earlier seasons were amazing and prefer them to the newer seasons. Season One and Two especially, and I looved Three. Not that Four through Six suck or anything, I just think the earlier episodes were the best.

[numbuh1212]

I think that
*You will never seen anyone else except for a few people
*No mass villen sceanes
*No continuay

[thesuki]

Of course there'd be continuity. It just wouldn't be as complex as it is.

[faircod1965]

We won't get as many KND operatives or villains as we do from season two upwards.

[numbuheightbitstar]

faircod1965 said:

We won't get as many KND operatives or villains as we do from season two upwards.

In the case of the villains, that probably wouldn't be so bad, considering that pretty much, anyone who isn't Father or the DC sucks, and even Father and the DC get worse and worse as time goes on.

Also: Hoagie would have a personality outside of telling jokes.

[NumbuhInfinity]

Wally sure isn't as he was in the first season, that's for sure. And there DID seemed to be more team-based episodes. Yet, I can't find myself watching the first few seasons as much as the newer ones. It isn't just KND, though, it appears to happen in all shows except Digimon and, to some extent, Dragonball Z.

numbuheightbitstar said:

Also: Hoagie would have a personality outside of telling jokes.

No, we just seemed to have the impression he only eats and not much else. (Good thing NO-POWUH wasn't the first episode I saw of him.)

[numbuheightbitstar]

numbuhinfinity said:

Wally sure isn't as he was in the first season, that's for sure. And there DID seemed to be more team-based episodes. Yet, I can't find myself watching the first few seasons as much as the newer ones. It isn't just KND, though, it appears to happen in all shows except Digimon and, to some extent, Dragonball Z.

What part? The nature of the show gradually changing, or you not being able to watch the early episodes?

numbuheightbitstar said:

Also: Hoagie would have a personality outside of telling jokes.

No, we just seemed to have the impression he only eats and not much else. (Good thing NO-POWUH wasn't the first episode I saw of him.)

I disagree. Outside of NO-POWUH, Hoagie was never really seen as someone with an extreme case of the munchies. He's always been shown as inventive, enthusiastic, and observant.... and if he had an extreme obsession of any sort, it was with flying.

[NumbuhInfinity]

numbuheightbitstar said:

numbuhinfinity said:

Wally sure isn't as he was in the first season, that's for sure. And there DID seemed to be more team-based episodes. Yet, I can't find myself watching the first few seasons as much as the newer ones. It isn't just KND, though, it appears to happen in all shows except Digimon and, to some extent, Dragonball Z.

What part? The nature of the show gradually changing, or you not being able to watch the early episodes?

Not being able to watch the early episodes, at least reruns/if I've seen them before. I'd watch when they're "newer" at the time, but after a couple years when the show has had several seasons... not as much. I don't know why. But I think it depends on the show, though. I must add I can watch early Teen Titans episodes as well. But I can't seem to stick around early episodes of The Powerpuff Girls (when it was still on the air), for another example.

numbuheightbitstar said:

numbuhinfinity said:

No, we just seemed to have the impression he only eats and not much else. (Good thing NO-POWUH wasn't the first episode I saw of him.)

I disagree. Outside of NO-POWUH, Hoagie was never really seen as someone with an extreme case of the munchies. He's always been shown as inventive, enthusiastic, and observant.... and if he had an extreme obsession of any sort, it was with flying.

I was just thinking of saying I got a better impression of him in the first episode, I-SCREAM, where he did seem to be all those things. Actually, now I can't remember if he had an eating obsession in any other episode besides NO-POWUH. But I'm still glad I didn't see NP first, otherwise I would have thought, "Oh great, don't tell me there's going to be fat jokes on him in every darn episode."

I have noticed the jokes increased in later seasons, though. But he seemed to get a bit braver in some parts, too. For example, he seemed terrified of Fanny in the first couple seasons, particularly in FUGITIVE. However, in ZERO, he actually got grumpy with her and told her to lighten up, and he didn't stutter. Normally he would have considered it suicide.

Oh, and as for the main question of the topic, I'm not sure what I'd think. There would probably be less "story arcs" going on (Chad's and Cree's betrayal, the Code Module thing, maybe that Sandy and Mushi thing wouldn't happen [but those weren't really KND-based adventures], and so on) and less characters. Nigel's family tree wouldn't be forked up. The only pairing shippings going around would involve Sector V and Lizzie. Probably some other things I can't think of.

But I think KND was mentioned to be global long before Operation: CHAD. Like the appearance of Numbuh 30-C in ARCTIC; and I think Nigel's narration said something about global command/headquarters.

EDIT: Forked up the quote tags.

[numbuheightbitstar]

Actually, now I can't remember if he had an eating obsession in any other episode besides NO-POWUH.

He didn't. NO-POWUH was an anomaly.

[thesuki]

For those with limited vocabularies...

anomaly-something which deviates from the standard or expected

NO-POWUH may have been one of those eps that Warburton and Co. whipped up when they had few ideas and less inspiration. Note that it's also the only episode where the 2x4 technology requires plugging in.

[NumbuhInfinity]

thesuki said:

anomaly-something which deviates from the standard or expected

I figured.

NO-POWUH may have been one of those eps that Warburton and Co. whipped up when they had few ideas and less inspiration. Note that it's also the only episode where the 2x4 technology requires plugging in.

Hey, you're right. Every other episode, they either had unlimited ammo or, I assumed, they ran on batteries or had to be recharged if they lose energy.

[thesuki]

I think they may charge their weapons with the energy produced by the hamsters. But yeah. Some don't even look like they NEED energy (SPLANKER, for example).