James Sir James, Bugs Bunny Esquire

[hoagiegal1970]

numbuheightbitstar said:

Nice try on that one, but your revisionist history is a little boring. Your version of events doesn't even make sense and, furthermore, I still have all the old PMs you and 0xFF sent me from that period.

You know, the "I can't believe 0xFF is gonna leave the forum cuz of those bitches! Please let him know that you're supporting him so he won't leave" stuff. ("bitches" was your term, by the way).

Yawn.

I can't believe you would save old emails from almost a year ago. How pathetic is that?

But anyway.

1) I was mad at Scone. I'll own that. But that was because of what was being said, not because of who she is. You, on the other hand, are mad at her because she's Scone. Huge, huge, huge difference. 2) I was sticking up for 0xFF. He's my friend. 3) If it's such a Bad Thing^TM to stick up for your friends, well, that's sad.

[jill2sweet]

Saving old e-mails? How is that pathetic? I haven't cleaned out my inbox in, oh, how long has it been? Three years?

[Numbuh 0xFF]

Actually the point of the Pit is to get these arguments out in the open. Locking them down just lets the matter fester. Or at least that's the notion.

Now as for revisionist history: I harbored no particular enmity towards James right up to the legendary jellyfish post. Well it included jellyfish, amongst other things. It's then when I decided some judicious sniping might be in order. I'll admit to reasoned debate being a more rational choice but, well, I'm human too.

I checked and I was civil right up to that point: disagreeing but perfectly cordial.

Just to set the record straight.

[numbuheightbitstar]

hoagiegal1970 said:

numbuheightbitstar said:

Nice try on that one, but your revisionist history is a little boring. Your version of events doesn't even make sense and, furthermore, I still have all the old PMs you and 0xFF sent me from that period.

You know, the "I can't believe 0xFF is gonna leave the forum cuz of those bitches! Please let him know that you're supporting him so he won't leave" stuff. ("bitches" was your term, by the way).

Yawn.

I can't believe you would save old emails from almost a year ago. How pathetic is that?

Not really all that pathetic. You DO know it takes more effort to DELETE the things than it does to just let 'em sit, right?

And I love that line of logic.

"I'm gonna revise history."

"Girl, you know, I have something that shows how things really went."

"Man, it's pathetic that you would actually save history like that."

"Because it hurts your case?"

"Yea--I mean, NO! Because, ummm...."

I mean seriously, that's like, what you always do. Like you never expect anyone to have anything that could be used against you.

But anyway.

1) I was mad at Scone. I'll own that. But that was because of what was being said, not because of who she is. You, on the other hand, are mad at her because she's Scone. Huge, huge, huge difference. 2) I was sticking up for 0xFF. He's my friend. 3) If it's such a Bad Thing^TM to stick up for your friends, well, that's sad.

1) Not really.

2) I was sticking up for him too. So?

3) That came entirely out of nowhere.

[jill2sweet]

veljko said:

Actually the point of the Pit is to get these arguments out in the open. Locking them down just lets the matter fester. Or at least that's the notion.

The fact that it's a board pointing out a member's mistakes and making fun of him is why I think it deserves a lock-down. Now, if this turned into a debate (or maybe it already has) than it would be okay to keep it.

Personally, I think the whole "BBG Pit" should be closed. The whole point of it is to fight, fight, fight, and I don't think fighting even more will solve what ya'll are fighting about.

[hoagiegal1970]

HA!

It hurts my case? Naaaaaaaaah. So show your hand.

It doesn't take that much effort to delete emails. I do it all the damn time.

And I'd like to know: If we were supposedly "friends" all this time...you're one absolutely sick puppy to all of a sudden say, "I mean seriously, that's like, what you always do. Like you never expect anyone to have anything that could be used against you."

Sheesh. I guess I WAS too naive and trusting. *smacks self*

[regan]

numbuheightbitstar said:

And I love that line of logic.

"I'm gonna revise history."

"Girl, you know, I have something that shows how things really went."

"Man, it's pathetic that you would actually save history like that."

"Because it hurts your case?"

"Yea--I mean, NO! Because, ummm...."

Oh man. It's self-loving, I-in-the-third-person fantasies like this that make me love your posts so much.

numbuheightbitstar said:

2) I was sticking up for him too. So?

You're missing her point: it's different because of the fact that you opose Scone's (and now my) arguements because of your personal beef, regularly dragging snarky insults into it as well. What was it that you called us again? Something like a pathetic, snivelling tool and the George W Bush of the KND fandom? (Even though the latter is PURE UNADULTURATED HILLARITY. Oh James Sir James. What WILL you think of next ^^ )

~Regan

[Numbuh 0xFF]

No no...not *a* member. ANY member

You don't like me, right? I seem to remember you really not liking me though for the life of me I can't remember why. Probably fought over something. Anyway, if it'll help feel free to pit ME. And then we can argue. And fight. And, hopefully, clear the air.

The fact that James is the center-piece is wholly incidental...it's just that Numbuh 82 suggested this and NumbuhInfinity tossed it for discussion with the mods and most of us thought it'd be worth a whirl.

[jill2sweet]

veljko said:

You don't like me, right? I seem to remember you really not liking me though for the life of me I can't remember why. Probably fought over something. Anyway, if it'll help feel free to pit ME. And then we can argue. And fight. And, hopefully, clear the air.

Oh, I like you. Some of your posts are quite interesting, actually. I'm a forgive-and-forget type person. I don't hold grudges. And I wouldn't like to pit you, although I'm sure we'd have alot to talk about. I don't really like to make fun of people, unless they really ask for it. Fighting, in my opinion, doesn't "clear the air." It just makes things worse.

[Numbuh 0xFF]

Your choice. I just pointed out the purpose of the pit. If you dislike it...and you are free (maybe even right?) to do so you can ignore it. You'll miss very little. Nothing, most likely.

[hoagiegal1970]

No, it just proves that you're a jerk.

Once again, I said those things in the heat of anger.

Like I said, I was upset that MY FRIEND was getting shredded, and I was jumping to MY FRIEND'S defense.

And I'll say it again:

Like you never expect to have anything that can be used against you.

Only someone like YOU would resort to something like this. Here's why (and yeah, it happened 2 1/2 years ago, but shows the all-too-obvious pattern with you):

LJ Journal Entry "Monkey Business"

Oh, by the way, Parron has officially banned me from her journal.

Why? Hell if I know. The last thing I posted there was some complimentary comments about Dragon Half--nothing inflammatory at all--and anyway that was about a week ago. Before that, I hadn't said anything to her in two full months.

Actually, if you want to see the full scope of just how degenerate this girl is, read this. It's an AIM arguement we had some time ago, and it's pretty representative of the usual clash between us.

Sweetie, I banned you 'cause I told you before "get off my LJ and stay off." Two months pass, and I was happy to see that you were actually listening (for once) to my request. But see, I'm not gonna just "be friends" with you just cause you say so. Yes, Dragon Half does rock. Yes, I agree you were being perfectly friendly.

I just don't care. Stop obsessing -- I use the word because I can't think of an alternative -- over me. Seriously. It's creepy and unwanted.

Now, to finish the post -- I've left you alone. I haven't spoken about you behind your back, I haven't spoken about you in front of you. I haven't associated myself with you in any way, shape, or form over the past couple months, and I had hoped I could keep it that way. I had hoped you would have the basic maturity to do the same... Obviously no. I banned you for trying to contact me again -- I realize you meant it in a friendly manner, but I've learnt that your "friendly" manner is just as bad as your "mean" manner and I'd rather not deal with either. I do not appreciate your attempt at bashing me out of the left field like this, and would (best case) appreciate it if you left well enough alone and left ME alone for once.

Worst case... well, I think we know eachother well enough to know what will happen.

Yours sincerly,

Parron

Parron,

There is an old adage, "forgive and forget." Really though, you tend to handle things in the most exaggerated manner possible.

As for the banning -- by "get the hell offa my LJ," I meant permenantly. Not "as long as you are nasty," not "for the next couple months," I meant *forever.* Since you displayed an obvious lack of stay-away ability, I took the liberty of doing it for ya... understand?

Okay, but I don't see how Parron's whininess is so remarkably abnormal that you have to complain about it in your livejournal. I mean, probably THE most frequent usage of a livejournal is whining about stuff. You've probably done it plenty of times yourself. And I'm not quite sure what you mean by "the rest of the behavior I've seen from Parron." What kind of behavior and why does that behavior have an effect on whether to consider Parron's whininess normal or not?

Let me put it this way, Tako:

She compared me to a guy who thinks it's okay to have sex with children, and said that my being arrogant makes me worse.

If you fail to see what's wrong with that, I pity you.

Well, if you're talking about MJN Seifer, that guy thinks that children having sex with each other is okay. And that guy is also really weird, maybe a bit on the crazy side.

And although I'm not saying that you're necessarily that much alike, it's true that you're both kind of arrogant and can be annoying (esp. to Parron).

I haven't talked to MJN Seifer, but among the two of you, you come off as more arrogant. MJN Seifer doesn't go around saying that KND fanfiction is so abominable (compared to his).He doesn't go around acting as if the whole world followed him and loved him and cared about whatever he did. He doesn't claim to be a better person than he is. Sure, he has really creepy ideas and rabidly sticks to them. But aren't a lot of people like that? (Except that they have less creepy ideas.)

I am simply a guy who likes to boast who harms absolutely nobody.

The reason why I stopped arguing with you before was because I was actually spending 2-3 hours a day writing up responses to your arguments, and it just went on and on and it took, like an hour just to look back at all the previous posts and figure out what the heck we were talking about. But just because I gave up arguing with you doesn't mean that you won and that you're right and we're wrong

The problem is that you're all so convinced that you're perfectly innocent little angels. I've taken responsibility for my misdeeds, but you go the second step and try to get me to blame myself for YOUR problems as well, which is where these arguements begin and end.

If you can't handle the fact that I exist independent of you and don't have to cater to your whims and fancies, that's your problem, not mine. If you can't understand the concept of that I WILL defend myself from attack or step up to a challenge, that's your problem too.

Keep the hell out of my real life, because you have no fucking idea of what it may and does consist of. Just because the unlocked entries make it seem trivial at times means nothing, and I cannot stress enough how angry it makes me that you DARE to presume ANYTHING about me for it. Believe it or not, things ARE allowed to stay private for you, and people DO sometimes have honestly sucky lives. So stay the hell away from it.

Look, I really shouldn't have to deal with your self-righteous hypocrisy, but you are the LAST PERSON who has ANY RIGHT WHATSOEVER to complain about someone making presumptions, since you seem to enjoy making presumptions about other people, often completely out of left field and with absolutely no basis in facts or reality, just your own imagination (such as accusing me of being a Sesame Street watcher who hangs out with five-year-olds).

If anything, Parrodiddle, it's you who is fixated on me, not the other way around.

While we're at it, I would appreciate it if you and Tako both would quit projecting your own faults onto me.

That's just some of it. And what's going on here is an example of a well-established pattern of behavior we should all expect from James.

[numbuheightbitstar]

hoagiegal1970 said:

Only someone like YOU would resort to something like this. Here's why (and yeah, it happened 2 1/2 years ago, but shows the all-too-obvious pattern with you):

LJ Journal Entry "Monkey Business"

If only "someone like me" would "resort to" something like this, then you must be like me too.

You just insulted yourself.

Pattern? The only "pattern" I've noticed is that I keep running afoul of insecure girls who want to find some sort of "dark secret side" to me.

What the hell are you guys trying to prove, anyway? That I'm egotistical? I've never denied that. That I'm a bit of a dick? I've never denied that either. That I get into arguements? Yeah, so what? I mean sh--, none of the stuff you point out makes me look bad to anyone except you. I don't exactly keep this stuff a secret. And its not like I'm the only egotistical, arguementative dick on the internet, or even really the worst one.

After all, I didn't have my friends vote me into mod position just so I could play God and turn it into a personal sandbox.

[hoagiegal1970]

numbuheightbitstar said:

If only "someone like me" would "resort to" something like this, then you must be like me too.

You just insulted yourself.

Nope. Unlike you, I don't save things to use against people. Anyone can go into your LJ and look at that stuff.

Pattern? The only "pattern" I've noticed is that I keep running afoul of insecure girls who want to find some sort of "dark secret side" to me.

Damn, you're so convinced that everyone is hung up on you and what you have to say and do. Narcissistic, much?

I could give two shits about your life motivations.

What the hell are you guys trying to prove, anyway? That I'm egotistical? I've never denied that. That I'm a bit of a dick? I've never denied that either. That I get into arguements? Yeah, so what? I mean sh--, none of the stuff you point out makes me look bad to anyone except you. I don't exactly keep this stuff a secret. And its not like I'm the only egotistical, arguementative dick on the internet, or even really the worst one.

I wouldn't go around boasting that I was an argumentative, egotistical dick. That you're PROUD of that is a little off, don't you think?

After all, I didn't have my friends vote me into mod position just so I could play God and turn it into a personal sandbox.

Here we go again. I already explained how I was "voted in" on the other thread. If you want 0xFF to explain to you exactly how the process works, he'll be glad to. After all, he said that you never complained about my modding before. Why all the accusations now, since all the social niceties blew up?

[numbuheightbitstar]

hoagiegal1970 said:

numbuheightbitstar said:

If only "someone like me" would "resort to" something like this, then you must be like me too.

You just insulted yourself.

Nope. Unlike you, I don't save things to use against people.

Neither do I. I saved the PMs simply cuz I was too lazy to delete them.

Even if I wasn't, saving stuff that could be compromising is a perfectly valid tactic.

Damn, you're so convinced that everyone is hung up on you and what you have to say and do. Narcissistic, much?

I've shot down this one so much its not even worthwhile.

Thanks for admitting you're a narcissist by the way.

How did I come to that conclusion? Well, the explanation is slightly more complicated than an episode of Dora the Explorer, so you probably won't understand it. So this is for the benefit of everyone else.

STEP A: Madame has a proven habit of projecting her own flaws onto me.

STEP B: She accused me of being a narcissist.

STEP C: Ergo, she herself must be a narcissist.

I wouldn't go around boasting that I was an argumentative, egotistical dick. That you're PROUD of that is a little off, don't you think?

I never said I was proud of it. I merely accept it, is all.

And I still don't get exactly what you're trying to prove.

Here we go again. I already explained how I was "voted in" on the other thread.

Yes, you said something to the effect of "0xFF and 1024 thought I would make a good mod." That's basically a confession.

If you want 0xFF to explain to you exactly how the process works, he'll be glad to. After all, he said that you never complained about my modding before. Why all the accusations now, since all the social niceties blew up?

WHAT?!

I have complained about your modding before. In PMs and on AIM. Heck, I've been complaining about it since the beginning of this year. This is merely the first time my complaints have been *public.*

And I bet you love it, don't you?

[hoagiegal1970]

numbuheightbitstar said:

Neither do I. I saved the PMs simply cuz I was too lazy to delete them.

Sigh. It takes two seconds to delete 'em. Anyway.

Even if I wasn't, saving stuff that could be compromising is a perfectly valid tactic.

Paranoid and Machiavellan. (And don't say I'm throwing that around blindly. I read The Prince.) Not surprising either, due to your run-ins with other people on this forum throughout the years.

I've shot down this one so much its not even worthwhile.

"I shot it down so much. I'm so great. Look at me!"

Thanks for admitting you're a narcissist by the way.
How did I come to that conclusion? Well, the explanation is slightly more complicated than an episode of Dora the Explorer, so you probably won't understand it. So this is for the benefit of everyone else.

I hate Dora. I like House.

STEP A: Madame has a proven habit of projecting her own flaws onto me.

Oh God. I'm just the latest in a long list of "insecure emo girls" who project their flaws onto ONE GUY. Yuck. Yawn.

And if the rest of you want to know who they are, the old timers may fill you in.

STEP B: She accused me of being a narcissist.

STEP C: Ergo, she herself must be a narcissist.

Faulty "logic" at its finest.

I never said I was proud of it. I merely accept it, is all.

And I still don't get exactly what you're trying to prove.

Never mind. Not going to explain it for the billionth time.

Yes, you said something to the effect of "0xFF and 1024 thought I would make a good mod." That's basically a confession.

Huh?

WHAT?!

I have complained about your modding before. In PMs and on AIM. Heck, I've been complaining about it since the beginning of this year. This is merely the first time my complaints have been *public.*

PMs and AIM. Not here. Big deal. So now you're "leading the charge" against the "big bad old Madame". Way to go.

And I bet you love it, don't you?

Hardly. It's boring.