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Post by Celra on Jul 15, 2007 12:25:39 GMT
Yeah, but that order HAS fallen through once before, and we can't keep counting on Stardrifter to come around and save us again and again. Nobody ever said that she always needs to save us its just people keep fighting to NO END where she had no choice. As long as I have been here (I used to be a lurker before I joined so dont let my registration date fool you) and that NEVER happened we still had 2/5 its just at the time there were more 1/5 shippers so the 2/5 people dident talk about it that much but they still exsisted Alright Renee is my friend and I ASSURE you I talked to her on the phone almost everyday the dying thing was not her fault she was at a college fair and while she was away her brothers and sisters had her password and did that and thats the problem here EVERYTIME everyone drops something people keep bringing it up. I have to disagree no one here thinks anyone has any secret agendas what goes on with us usally is in RL or is brought into the open and maybe if people actually TRIED to stop the war it would work ya know it only takes one person to fix it. Again not true Myself and others take responsibity and admit when we are wrong I know that when I'm wrong I apologize almost everyone here does take responsibility and admit there mistakes so I dont know what your talking about. Because they try to handle things maturely instead of starting fights with people.
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Post by hoagiegal1970 on Jul 15, 2007 13:45:21 GMT
I promised myself I wasn't going to go here...
but I am. Briefly.
If YOU would STOP posting these things that are MEANT to get people up in arms, there wouldn't be any wars.
Ever notice that YOU have been involved in most of them?
People have outright told you that all you do is argue and nitpick the show. In fact, here's the direct quote:
It just seems that you want to just up everyone else in forum arguments. In fact, ALL you ever do here, James, is argue with people and bicker about the show itself. I read on your LJ that you didn't like KND. So why stick around?
This latest post of yours is deliberately meant to get people upset. How can anyone not see it?
Stop doing this. Seriously...just stop it.
That's all for now.
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Post by jill2sweet on Jul 15, 2007 14:23:22 GMT
Hey, Madame, ever notice that you're involved in most of these wars, too? And you were before you became a moderator, so don't play the "it's my duty as a mod" card. There's nothing wrong with taking an interest in what's best for the forum and it's members (which is usually what these "wars" are about.)
Pointing out flaws in the forum is supposed to get people "up in arms"? Well, those people must be easily upset, then. Look, pointing out flaws is a good thing. Ignoring these flaws and saying everything is "tra la la" is a bad thing. When you point out flaws, you know what to fix. When you ignore them, they stay and grow until the whole place falls apart. Unfortunately, these flaws aren't getting fixed because a big chunk of the mods (who have most of the power to fix these things) are against James and he's one of the only members brave enough to point out these flaws. Most members would agree with James, but they're too afraid of getting their heads chewed off or getting banned for agreeing with someone dubbed a "trouble-maker" by a couple of our moderators.
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Post by hoagiegal1970 on Jul 15, 2007 14:44:43 GMT
Hey, Madame, ever notice that you're involved in most of these wars, too? Yes. I'm well aware of it. Who said I was? That's not what James is doing. I'm sorry that you're not able to see that. These "flaws" are not flaws that bother a majority of the forum...just him. See the example I posted below. Doing what he's doing isn't "brave". Let's take the language issue, for instance. He was one of the only ones who had an issue with it. HE was going around telling people to censor words that really weren't an issue. HE was making an issue out of something that only happens every once in a while. People do not curse regularly on this forum. They censor themselves! That didn't become an issue until HE made it an issue. He was a troublemaker long before 0xFF or I got here. He's been here since 2003, and we didn't arrive until 2005. He was doing the same thing--posting diatribes like these from out of nowhere, meant to get people up in arms, or disagree with him, or start flamewars. Jill, again, you can't see what this guy is really about, because he's a master at playing the victim right after he posts one of these very inflammatory posts. I'm willing to bet if one of the old timers came here and saw these posts, they'll tell you that things ran just fine when James took one of his sabbaticals from this place.
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Post by Celra on Jul 15, 2007 14:54:42 GMT
@jill
Look I have to Disagree with you about the "Everyone agrees with James but doesent want to get there head chewed off thing" Theres people here who say what they think and dont worry about siding with the mods or not I myself am one of those people in this issue I have to Agree with Madame Hoagies gal he does start crap and then tend to play the "Everyone hates me" Card.
But aside from that as for you saying that if you go against the mods your basically asking for trouble thats not true at all if I disagree with anything Madame hoagies gal or any of the mods say I talk it out with them but never start wars with them cause that doesent solve anything.
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Post by Cap'n Veg on Jul 15, 2007 14:55:43 GMT
I wasn't there for that. But I was here when the whole 1/5 vs. 2/5 thing was going around. But we're done with that sillyness now. Goldenflither even pops up on the 2/5 thread every once in awhile to say hi.
Wait, which thread was that? Cause I don't remember it too well...
...what? Secret war? Behind-the-scenes politics? Where did this come from?
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Post by thesuki on Jul 15, 2007 15:01:43 GMT
Hm, I love how the most innocuous threads can turn into a battle like this. The degeneration is actually pretty fun to watch. Like Lord of the Flies.
Since we're basically back where who-knows-how-many-other threads have ended up, why don't we just stop this, and anyone who wants to see how it ends can read one of the older threads that already got locked? ^^
Cause seriously, it's like I"m watching anime. Same storyline, different setup.
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Post by jill2sweet on Jul 15, 2007 15:11:29 GMT
They bother me, they bother James, and they bothered Gail. That's why she left. And I know for a fact they bother other people, they're just afraid of getting banned for disagreeing with an "all-mighty" moderator.
I really don't understand your view on the Language thing. What's wrong with making this place a little more kid-friendly? It is a forum for a children's show, I'd expect the same cleanliness here. And, around the time of the making of that thread, I had seen a lot of people not censoring themselves. I'm not going to speak for James, but I don't think he was offended by the language, but he knows others that are and are too afraid to speak up for themselves.
Of course there are people here not afraid to state their opinions, but there are also a lot of other people who are afraid of the moderators. Mods have power over them, and it's perfectly natural to, at first, be afraid of someone who has power over you. But, just because a majority of the people that will speak are on one side, doesn't mean the majority of the whole forum is on that side, too.
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Post by Celra on Jul 15, 2007 15:20:00 GMT
Not True Jill The moderators have power thats true but the mods here DO NOT abuse there power they are just saying it how it is and if James or anyone else for that matter has problems with them then just PM the mod and try to work it out.
Trust me I've know from other issues I've had here that If you PM anyone of these mods they will GLADLY help you as long as you ask them nicely.
So Please dont go telling me that people are afraid of the mods EVERYONE here knows that our mods are very nice people and NEVER abuse there powers.
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Post by jill2sweet on Jul 15, 2007 15:56:14 GMT
I was just saying, Celra, it's perfectly normal for members to be a little bit afraid of mods. They have power over them and they're the ones that determine whether or not they get banned, suspended, etc. Though you may not fear the moderators, some people do. People are always going to be afraid of those higher up on the ladder than them.
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Post by Celra on Jul 15, 2007 16:15:00 GMT
I was just saying, Celra, it's perfectly normal for members to be a little bit afraid of mods. They have power over them and they're the ones that determine whether or not they get banned, suspended, etc. Though you may not fear the moderators, some people do. People are always going to be afraid of those higher up on the ladder than them. Which is what I'm saying they cant ban someone just because of there personal feelings torwards the person it doesent go like this Mod 1: I dont like Celra shes a Bitch Mod 2: Me Neither I think we should ban her! Mod 3: I agree so Its settled then? I'll ban her? Mod 1: Yup But what reason do we have? Mod 2: No reason at all! Mod 3: Alright I'll ban her anyways I mean I GURANTEE if Bannings went like that there would be several people gone already. They shouldent be afraid of the mods either theres nothing to be afraid of your acting like people think the mods are gonna come to there house and beat them with a club just because of a disagreement.
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Post by NumbuhInfinity on Jul 15, 2007 16:31:49 GMT
Hm, I love how the most innocuous threads can turn into a battle like this. The degeneration is actually pretty fun to watch. Like Lord of the Flies. Since we're basically back where who-knows-how-many-other threads have ended up, why don't we just stop this, and anyone who wants to see how it ends can read one of the older threads that already got locked? ^^ Cause seriously, it's like I"m watching anime. Same storyline, different setup. Heh, I like that last paragraph there. Don'tcha just love how easily topics get derailed these days?
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Post by dex on Jul 15, 2007 16:50:30 GMT
I was just saying, Celra, it's perfectly normal for members to be a little bit afraid of mods. They have power over them and they're the ones that determine whether or not they get banned, suspended, etc. Though you may not fear the moderators, some people do. People are always going to be afraid of those higher up on the ladder than them. Nooo, you're supposed to respect the mods, not fear them.
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Post by hoagiegal1970 on Jul 15, 2007 16:54:31 GMT
I'd just like to address one small point that was brought up: overreacting to "dramarama".
That's died out in the last few months, but we got "dramarama" all lumped in around the same time period.
We got Mayrock's shenanigans right after the fake death incident, and shortly after her nonsense, some guy was leaving and made a long, detailed post about his fetish. (I happened to find out what the fetish WAS many months later--and it's not sexual, but still not appropriate for a forum like this.)
So I was one of the ones who overreacted. I've freely admitted to the forum that I have a short fuse that blows easily, and it's something I need to work on. But really, we got all that in such a short time, and NO ONE needed to hear ANY of that junk...so people's tempers were more frayed than usual.
HOWEVER, it's calmed down.
Just needed to say that.
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Post by thesuki on Jul 15, 2007 17:06:23 GMT
Hm, I love how the most innocuous threads can turn into a battle like this. The degeneration is actually pretty fun to watch. Like Lord of the Flies. Since we're basically back where who-knows-how-many-other threads have ended up, why don't we just stop this, and anyone who wants to see how it ends can read one of the older threads that already got locked? ^^ Cause seriously, it's like I"m watching anime. Same storyline, different setup. Heh, I like that last paragraph there. Don'tcha just love how easily topics get derailed these days? Like putting a penny on a train track. Except that doesn't derail a train.
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