Father - Numbuh 2's Father

[Darrel Samaitha419]

webuiltthiscity said:

As to the Mr. Wigglestein theory, I can keep it alive. Maybe Father was a descendant of the original Mr. Wigglestein. The powers and the black silhouette get passed on to each new generation when he reaches adulthood. Grandfather probably wanted to pass it to Monty originally (he was the favorite), but when he turned good and joined the KND, he had no choice but to pass it on to Ben.

There goes my theory (Points to avatar and sig)
But I don't think Hoagie's dad is Father,at all.

[theorygirl]

webuiltthiscity said:

As to the Mr. Wigglestein theory, I can keep it alive. Maybe Father was a descendant of the original Mr. Wigglestein. The powers and the black silhouette get passed on to each new generation when he reaches adulthood. Grandfather probably wanted to pass it to Monty originally (he was the favorite), but when he turned good and joined the KND, he had no choice but to pass it on to Ben.

I'm under the impression that when Numbuh Zero defeated Grandfather the first time, he lost all memory of his powers and became just a normal dad (although he still favored Monty over Ben), thus he had nothing to pass on to anyone. However, we know that shadow powers run in the family, as Father's great-grandmother (mother of the ACTWLUtH) apparently had them, and Grandfather mentions "our heritage." So it's not impossible that Father learned how to harness his powers on his own.

[sjedmondson]

I don't think the shadow suit is passed on, As Grandfather and Father had it at the same time after all.

So I agree with theory girl.

But before Z.E.R.O I did belive Father was no 2's father

[pentical]

Regarding TheoryGirl's comments I agree that the Shadow suit is a genetic thing as Mr. Warburton himself has told me that Nigel has the genes for it. Using it however is a different story. It might be that since the powers are used primarily to subjugate kids, it most likely will be that they don't manifest until adulthood. To me the powers seem to be linked to anger and hate. Monty hasn't used them (to our knowledge) because, well, look at the guy. He doesn't have a hateful bone in his body (except for maybe tuba players, see OOMPAH) Even as Zero he never appeared to be hateful to his father to the point where he wanted to cause actual harm. But now I'm getting off topic.

I always felt that Father's ill will towards Hoagie Sr. was because he had some form of jelousy rooted in something we don't know about, possibly first formed during that first Tube-a-thon.

[lilshy]

Bummer there goes my belief that Father's Hoagie's father. (Say that five times fast.) BUT I now have a brillient idea....

Father had gone out with Mrs Gulligan in high school but she dumped him for Hoagie SNR and therefore the ill feelings from Father.

[pentical]

I totally beleive that Father had feelings for Betty at some point in his youth but because she was already with Hoagie Sr. his feelings were never reciprocated thus causing his jelosy and hate of Hoagie Sr. (I'm even thinking about a writing a fanfic regarding this) It would explain why Father convinced president Jimmy that being evil would get him chicks.

[sjedmondson]

((Is there proof that's how Father convinced Jimmy to be evil?))

I don't agree with that theory, For some reason it feels too un-Fatherish and abit not KND-ish either I don't know why I think that though.

I am still convinced it is something from childhood.

[faircod1965]

You're right, it most decidedly is.

The fact that Ben having feelings for Betty when she prefered Hogworth Sr., is something that may be that may be that he thinks he's the only one for her.

[pentical]

((Is there proof that's how Father convinced Jimmy to be evil?))

There really isn't any proof that's how it happened, just my speculation based on the fact that Jimmy admitted that wanting Lizzie as his Girlfriend was the reason he went evil. And since in Operation: PRESIDENT it appeared that Father was the one who turned him.

[theorygirl]

I don't know, I just don't see a Father/Betty/Hogarth Sr. love triangle working. Father doesn't seem like the type to show any weaknesses, especially not love. But Benedict, on the other hand...
Which brings up a question that's been bugging me for a while (I ought to just write to Mr. Warburton and ask), but when exactly did Benedict move from England to America? I would assume it was when he was an adult (or at least in college), but from what Father says to Hoagie in CAKED FOUR, it sounds like he was there when he was younger.

[thesuki]

Since the tree Monty found the Book of KND in is the current treehouse, I think Monty moved to England at some point, then moved back to America with his new family later.

[Darrel Samaitha419]

thesuki said:

Since the tree Monty found the Book of KND in is the current treehouse, I think Monty moved to England at some point, then moved back to America with his new family later.

Hey but,the Treehouse of Coolness was in England. Remember the Big Ben? When Grandfather was yell at Monty when he was still a kid, the tower was behind him.
So how did the treehouse......oh nevermind.

[sjedmondson]

One theory is that the clocktower was transformed that way due to Grandfathers aura. So when Grandfather was defeated the Clockhouse turned back into whatever it was supposted to be.

Thats one theory.

[Shwoo]

I don't think the flashback was in London. All the characters except Monty had American accents.

[theorygirl]

pentical said:

((Is there proof that's how Father convinced Jimmy to be evil?))

There really isn't any proof that's how it happened, just my speculation based on the fact that Jimmy admitted that wanting Lizzie as his Girlfriend was the reason he went evil. And since in Operation: PRESIDENT it appeared that Father was the one who turned him.

*imagines Jimmy entering a darkened room where Father waits, ready to make him an offer he can't refuse*
That could be an interesting one-shot fic... or maybe just an interesting fanart.