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Post by kiviethecat on Jan 14, 2007 19:50:08 GMT
Another show being cancelled? Why does this keep happening?!
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Post by numbuheightbitstar on Jan 15, 2007 0:10:26 GMT
Another show being cancelled? Why does this keep happening?! Was that a trick question?
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Post by hoagiegal1970 on Jan 15, 2007 0:18:34 GMT
It's not canceled. It's ending. Two different things.
KND is also ending, not being canceled.
Both shows did well in the ratings ('cause to executives, that's all that counts--not what cartoon fans think). Other shows didn't do well and were pulled off the air.
Get it now?
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Post by simpleflied on Jan 15, 2007 0:38:33 GMT
No More Fred FredBurger
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Post by kiviethecat on Jan 15, 2007 4:53:49 GMT
Eh... Fred was annoying anyway...
@ JamesEightBitStar How is that a trick question?
@ Madame Hoagie's Gal Oh... I get it now. Thanks Madame.
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Post by numbuheightbitstar on Jan 15, 2007 6:54:35 GMT
@ JamesEightBitStar How is that a trick question? You asked "Another show is getting cancelled? Why does this keep happening?" I figured the answer to that question must simply be obvious. 1) If old shows never got cancelled, new shows would never get produced because there'd be no place for them. 2) Simply put, most shows do not do well running more than 65 episodes anyway. This is especially true of cartoons meant for children. If studio politics and bored writers don't become a problem, then eventually the show gets to a point where the writers have simply done everything they can do with the concept. Have you seen What's New Scooby-Doo? Ever watched Dragonball, or read the manga? Ever played the Mega Man games? Ever read superhero comics? All those things and more are perfect examples of why some things just HAVE TO END, and what all goes wrong when you keep a used-up concept on life support just to make a buck and/or please the fans. If you've ever wondered why I always seem to dance with glee every time a show gets cancelled... well, now you know (I hope). Getting cancelled/ending is a GOOD thing, it garuntees that the show will never reach the horrible extremes known as "jumping the shark" (or, if the show already has jumped, it assures that the show won't sink TOO far). Naturally all this only applies to fiction shows--documentaries and real-life crime shows, like Unsolved Mysteries and Cold Case Files, probably SHOULD run practically forever. But then, those aren't shows that count on the writers having to come up with an interesting story every week.
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Post by kiviethecat on Jan 15, 2007 8:09:20 GMT
One thing, I have no idea what you just said. Second, that question wasn't even supposed to be answered...
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Post by numbuheightbitstar on Jan 15, 2007 9:19:32 GMT
One thing, I have no idea what you just said. My previous post in a nutshell: Things that never get cancelled, suck. I kinda figured it was rhetorical, but I answered it anyway.
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Post by iguana on Jan 15, 2007 16:57:20 GMT
Things that never get cancelled, suck. Agreed. Take Zim for instance; as much as people whine about how much of an arse Jhonen Vasquez is and its fandom is all brain-dead, you can't deny that it was a great and original kids' show and one of the best things Nick has ever seen. Right up there with Rocko and Ren and Stimpy. And guess what? It was cancelled after Jhonen planned to add a huge plot twist that might have ruined everything. Same goes for KND. Great shows usually don't live on for ages, spawning tons of useless spinoffs. Things tend to get old really fast; live with it. On a completely different note, I don't fully agree with James' Megaman comparison. I haven't played any of the new ones, but ZX seems to be doing pretty well with reviewers and fans alike.
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Post by NumbuhInfinity on Jan 15, 2007 17:50:18 GMT
Things that never get cancelled, suck. Agreed. Take Zim for instance; as much as people whine about how much of an arse Jhonen Vasquez is and its fandom is all brain-dead, you can't deny that it was a great and original kids' show and one of the best things Nick has ever seen. Right up there with Rocko and Ren and Stimpy. And guess what? It was cancelled after Jhonen planned to add a huge plot twist that might have ruined everything. What was the plot twist?
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Post by numbuheightbitstar on Jan 15, 2007 18:34:38 GMT
On a completely different note, I don't fully agree with James' Megaman comparison. I haven't played any of the new ones, but ZX seems to be doing pretty well with reviewers and fans alike. The thing I was getting at with the MegaMan example was that the original and X series went on so long that Capcom ended up tripping over themselves. In particular with regards to how the original and X series are related. Originally, they weren't--X was an alternate universe. But then they decided that X should be the canonical future of the original series, which allowed for some interesting developments but also a ton of inconsistencies and plot holes... and also pretty much killed the original series. That's why the original pretty much ended with Mega Man & Bass. Moreover, the X series itself was originally supposed to end with Mega Man X5, but they kept it going anyway and now its impossible to completely reconcile the continuity with the remainder of the series. That's not even counting the amount of allusions and plot points that were outright dropped as the series went on. The Mega Man Home Page has a lot of commentaries that cover these flaws in detail. Check it out.
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Post by allie on Jan 15, 2007 20:01:45 GMT
Billy and Mandy is ending? That's sucks! It was a good show with high ratings. My friend Ashtyn and I would watch it a lot when it was on. ^^
Cancels...endings...Just like Sonic X. They should REALLY have a proper ending. Not just 'Like, omg Sonic bye, I'll miss j00, love Chris!' Cosmo and Shadow BOTH sacrificed their lives. They should come back.
Only one thing should be changed if Sonic X comes back. (which it probably won't) The VAs. God, Knuckles sounds like Yugi from Yu-gi-oh!, Rouge sounds like a 45 year old instead of a 18-year-old bat, Cream sounds like an old lady pretending to be a kid, Tails and Chris sound so flippen' girly, Shadow is SO whispery...and Sonic..just. He just doesn't sound so cool anymore! >.<
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Post by iguana on Jan 16, 2007 11:32:03 GMT
On a completely different note, I don't fully agree with James' Megaman comparison. I haven't played any of the new ones, but ZX seems to be doing pretty well with reviewers and fans alike. The thing I was getting at with the MegaMan example was that the original and X series went on so long that Capcom ended up tripping over themselves. In particular with regards to how the original and X series are related. Originally, they weren't--X was an alternate universe. But then they decided that X should be the canonical future of the original series, which allowed for some interesting developments but also a ton of inconsistencies and plot holes... and also pretty much killed the original series. That's why the original pretty much ended with Mega Man & Bass. Moreover, the X series itself was originally supposed to end with Mega Man X5, but they kept it going anyway and now its impossible to completely reconcile the continuity with the remainder of the series. That's not even counting the amount of allusions and plot points that were outright dropped as the series went on. Actually, the only real plot holes I can think of are the recent X games, which suck anyway. X5 was going to be the last one, followed by Zero. Then Capcom started working on the crappy X6 game without the original creator even knowing about it. Before it was released, they tried to add a 'canon' ending where Zero seals himself and a different beginning to the first Zero game (he was originally just killed in X5 and revived in Zero 1) In my opinion, the plotline is supposed to go like this: Light creates a load of robots that were supposed to serve him. A great deal of them turn evil and side with Wily for no reason, so the only remaining ones (megaman, roll and some others) blow him up several times. Wily starts building Zero while Light UPGRADES Mega Man to give him free will, sealing him when he's done. He probably just blows up Roll, Rush and Protomam out of boredom. (...) Years later X gets revived and the rest is history. Cancels...endings...Just like Sonic X. They should REALLY have a proper ending. Not just 'Like, omg Sonic bye, I'll miss j00, love Chris!' Cosmo and Shadow BOTH sacrificed their lives. They should come back. Uh, they're DEAD. What's the main point of sacrificing themselves if they'll be bought back? Unless that seed Tails got helps reincarnate Cosmo, which is very unlikely. If they'll do another Sonic X season, I really hope they improve the animation so it won't look like a horrible, poorly drawn slideshow, work on the plots so that they're less emo and make more sense and most of all, get rid of Chris and all the boring human characters.
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Post by Numbuh Googol on Jan 16, 2007 18:11:15 GMT
This was gonna happen eventually, but I'm glad to hear Billy & Mandy's actually going to have a proper ending, rather than just suddenly stop. That'll make it more enjoyable. It's a shame it's this show they're ending though, I mean it's still very popular and CN could lose a lot of viewers. Besides, I haven't been too impressed with the sort of cartoons that get shown on CN nowadays.
I'm interested to see what this new pilot is that Maxwell Atoms is working on. Hopefully that'll be good!
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Post by numbuheightbitstar on Jan 17, 2007 5:18:53 GMT
Actually, the only real plot holes I can think of are the recent X games, which suck anyway. There's been plot holes before that. Namely (and yeah, some spoilers below): 1. What makes X and Reploids special is that they have free will and can feel emotion. X was described as being the first robot that could do this. Yet, if we take the X series as the future of the original MM series, this is just not true--Mega Man, Proto Man, Roll, Bass, all act rather independently time and again and quite obviously, feel emotion. 2. There's a huge plot snafu right at the beginning of the X Series: The warning from Dr. Light talks about how MegaMan X is special because of the afformentioned emotions and free will... but then he's locked in a capsule in order to "test his reliability" (IE make sure X won't decide to kill everyone). Yeah, way to contradict yourself, Dr. Light. 3. Not to mention how all the Reploids are designed with free wills, yet by the third game almost every instance of Maverick behavior is caused by a virus and in the fourth game, Sigma's own conversion to evil is explained in the fourth game as a virus he inherited from Zero (who apparently was quite the raving maniac at first). In fact, having recently picked up the MMX Collection for Gamecube, I'm sure I'll be able to find a ton of plot inconsistencies as a play. Its a good thing I don't play games for their stories (or when I do, its so I can poke fun at them later).
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